Would you like an in-game parser?

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Neither of those options would actually help anything though. At least with df, you'd either have the parsing group opting into the non parsing group if it's faster, or vice versa, and we'll just be in the same place we are currently.

[Archaell]

Neither of those options would actually help anything though. At least with df, you'd either have the parsing group opting into the non parsing group if it's faster, or vice versa, and we'll just be in the same place we are currently.

I don't think so. There would be an important change - having the option to choose.

If the non-parsing Q would be faster - you would join it while knowing you might fail more enrages.

If the parsing Q would be faster - you would join it while knowing people could comment on your dps.

But ultimately it would be on each player's head to decide if the shorter Q is worth the drawbacks which come with it.

[Reynhart]

It's not my problem, but I'm not saying it is either. As has been pointed out numerous times throughout this thread, we do not care about your DPS in a dungeon or other content that doesn't require you to do near optimal DPS. I don't care if you want to rush 4 days when you have a week. I do care if you have 4 days and want to take a week. You keep putting words in pro-parser people's mouths and ignore what they're actually saying.

No, I don't. If I managed to do the content previously, and the corresponding SSS, it means that I can do your week task in a week. If it's a week tast, I don't want you to only give me 4 days to do it.
If content were gated by SSS, then it would be easy to prove that I beat it just by entering, and if you don't see a first time notification, that I already won the content.
So, yes, in that case, I don't want you to bother me with a parser.

Again, we don't prevent you from using your parser for you, you have no authority to enforce that on us.

[Seraphix2407]

What if parser happens, then what?

[Kezy_Kaatapoh]

No, I don't. If I managed to do the content previously, and the corresponding SSS, it means that I can do your week task in a week. If it's a week tast, I don't want you to only give me 4 days to do it.
If content were gated by SSS, then it would be easy to prove that I beat it just by entering, and if you don't see a first time notification, that I already won the content.
So, yes, in that case, I don't want you to bother me with a parser.

Again, we don't prevent you from using your parser for you, you have no authority to enforce that on us.

But I don't care what you're doing as long as we clear. I have yet to see a pro-parser person say they care what you're doing as long as we clear.

You once again have decided my argument for me. The ONLY time I'd bring up the damage you or anyone else is doing is if we're failing because of it. I have made no argument at any point about utilizing a parser to call people out when we're able to clear content, so why are you arguing with me like I have?

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Currently there's a total of about a dozen pro parser players that I've seen, at least on this thread, that claim what you claim. Unless you want to claim to speak for the vast majority, there's no evidence that's been put forth here that the majority of the pro parser population wouldn't harass and boot others for being a mere 100 DPS short of their exaggerated demands. On the other hand, there's a fair amount of evidence scattered all over the forums that parser data could, and is, abused, on a daily basis. While it's nice to be optimistic and hope that this data would only be used to help, it's much more logical to presume and predict what the worst case scenario would be.

[Kezy_Kaatapoh]

Currently there's a total of about a dozen pro parser players that I've seen, at least on this thread, that claim what you claim. Unless you want to claim to speak for the vast majority, there's no evidence that's been put forth here that the majority of the pro parser population wouldn't harass and boot others for being a mere 100 DPS short of their exaggerated demands. On the other hand, there's a fair amount of evidence scattered all over the forums that parser data could, and is, abused, on a daily basis. While it's nice to be optimistic and hope that this data would only be used to help, it's much more logical to presume and predict what the worst case scenario would be.

There's actually been quite a bit of evidence showing there won't be harassment from instituting an official parser, or at least no noticeable increase in the long run. Yes, there are people who will use it and have used it for abuse, but there's nothing showing that they wouldn't do the same abuse if there was no parser at all. People who belittle people with a parser will belittle you even without one. They'll find a reason to do it. But regardless, reporting is still 100% viable and something that would remain viable were a parser implemented. I'm completely against harassment, but the worst case scenario that's been put forth is mostly unfounded fears, or at least a misunderstanding of the root of harassment.

[Rawrz]

Currently there's a total of about a dozen pro parser players that I've seen, at least on this thread, that claim what you claim. Unless you want to claim to speak for the vast majority, there's no evidence that's been put forth here that the majority of the pro parser population wouldn't harass and boot others for being a mere 100 DPS short of their exaggerated demands. On the other hand, there's a fair amount of evidence scattered all over the forums that parser data could, and is, abused, on a daily basis. While it's nice to be optimistic and hope that this data would only be used to help, it's much more logical to presume and predict what the worst case scenario would be.

Ahh but heres the thing about that. Most people, I believe, have a mild temperament and a sympathetic if not empathetic attitude. If one person says, your dps is low, when you are doing "100 dps off their exaggerated demand ," there are 2-6 other jurors who have to find you guilty, else it will cause strife for the party leader. Everyone has their own parser, everyone has their own standards. Demeaning accusations towards a stranger make me on that stranger's side, internally gathering evidence to defend them, until I've seen otherwise. Don't you think someone would defend the dps or try to absolve the situation? Most people, in my mind's eye, want to be perceived a pleasant and non-confrontational. Maybe I just don't like to watch unjustified belittling, if belittling is ever necessary in a game. A parser would just as easily defend the player.

This is also assuming that preformed parties gain a full parser only, which cannot vote kick, (also hello party finder resurgence), while duty finder, will give a personal parse only.

[Seraphix2407]

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I've been helping over 30 groups, I can even prove it to you, past few days this week. Seph extremes for example. Want to know average DPS with 225+ Ilvl and 230 weapon? 1.1k. How many people were called out in those group? None. This is not towards you, but many anti parsers in here make it sound like every duty you enter, hell even going to the bathroom in real life, there is a guy shouting at you doing bad dps. I'm not kidding it sounds like that. Because the biggest argument most of the anti parser crowd has is harrasements.

Want to know what I really dislike? Few people on this thread or forum judge me for using a parser? And am I seriously going to take them serious? Nah. I know I have bunch of friends who raids and doesn't raid using parsers and NO one ever gets shouted at for being low dps, if the dps is too low and we can't beat because of it, we find out some solution to it. I know it's not optimized to put 3 amazing dps with 1 that's far from being decent in a clear group. Clearing it and doing mechanics doesn't mean you did a amazing job, you still have to do your portion of dps. My friend struggled as healer to get a clear with random groups and his BRD friend. I out dpsed his brd as war. But did I call him trash? No, I said his dps should been higher and all he said was; Yeah I think I was low, according to parser that someone was copy pasting into the group. And you know, he actually has taken it as a hint that he needs to improve and he already has.

Why can't people be simply and take some advice or hints they need to improve rather than ignore it and call people assholes? I'm saying it again once more before people gonna use it as arguement card:
I'M FULLY AWARE!! PEOPLE CAN BE ASSHOLES ABOUT IT! Now, what I dont get is why does people think in every corner a pro parser is gonna be an asshole to you because 1 was it ages ago? I might as well quit helping people because majority can't do rotations well enough to clear content or simply do mechanics while handling decent dps or worse; ignoring trying to get better. Is that the way it should be? Hell no. So please, for the love of god, stop argue againt's us with the harrasment card, we agree with you guys on that side, what we don't agree, well certainly me, is you guys say a big majority does harras and it will be the dooms day of the game if an official one ever happens.

Before people gonna judge me again, please provide that you are ANY BETTER than most of us. I'm so damn sure, without knowing and being on people server on this thread there are bunch of great guys helping people out, THAT ARE ALSO USING A PARSER. Holy shit?! Is it true? A guy using a parser without being an asshole? Might as well believe in santa right? I'm all serious now, the harrasment card of 99% of people being pro parsers are assholes. Yawn. There is ONE guy in this thread(I wont call out name), that has one of the most toxic post ever created on this forum. Not only saying a big % of parser pro people are assholes, but acting like a white knight at the same proccess? Really?

Allow me to show you and everyone else what I've done recently:


5!!!!5 freaking people needed clear. Guess what, 2 out 8 people had parsers on. Did me or the other guy call out their dps being low? Nope, we wiped for a long time then we killed it.

Another example and please read the bottom chat before people gonna yawn me with their harrasment cards:


HOLY!?!?!? There are 2 people with 210 weapons in seph extreme? Wooooooow, and guess what. 4 of us was parsing. Still cleared it and we helped them farm weapons, even the fact majority of us never needed anything from that fight anymore. So please, for those who judge me or others in here. Just stop, please stop.

Keep in mind harrasment will always been a problem in the game, having a parser doesn't mean it's green light to harras people for doing less or whatever. If people harras you, you blacklist them and report, simple. So many anti parsers in here either argue with themselves or simply put words in our mouths so they can have soemthing to argur with.

/Rant off.

Edit:

. A parser would just as easily defend the player.

Excactly. If a guy was doing 100 dps less, it still would been fine. Top notch dps? Nope but it's still above an average player, so I'm pretty sure people would defend the guy and then again, this rarely happens and you and I both know it very well! What parser could also do is, there are people who actuall think they are godsent in a group but actually the worse one in group, that one happens actually a lot lol XD. ''Get gud guys'' > Ow his dps is 700 less than it should be and he harras people for no reason lol. If he had a parser, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't said shit about it haha!

[Reynhart]

I've been helping over 30 groups, I can even prove it to you, past few days this week.

Yeah, I know how you deal with it, don't worry. But, saddly, none of us know enough people to foresee what the majority will do, especially in a situation that is not happening. Because yeah, parser being unofficial for now is a different situation. For each nice guy you can show, I'm pretty sure someone can show a corresponding bully. All pro-parsers aren't, but you can't there isn't any.

As for me, as I said before, I have my DPS-obsessed-bully, even though he is a nice guy apart from that, my static leader. A guy that asked us several times to wipe in Thordan's Reign phase 1 because we didn't bring the boss down below 65% before phasing. Or the one who asked us to wipe on Seph EX as soon as any DPS dies in the first phase...After several months of leading my own static through Coil, this new mentality pushed me away from raiding altogether.

So, yeah, I'd probably have no issue showing numbers in a party lead by you, but with a more fishy leader, I'd rather hide it to gauge how he deals with issues first. That's the beauty of having an on/off option. To act nice with nice people and to protect us from jerks.