Would you like an in-game parser?

[Krissey]

Not sure whete you see your attitude described requires a parser???

Well even if you had one you can't vote kick me because that's harassment. How dare you challenge me. I pay my 15$ a month and if I want to only auto attack because it's good enough to beat the content then I'm entitled to. Stop using your numbers to oppress me. I'm the victim here.

[MeiUshu]

I always agreed with that. But shows only your numbers to you and not the others. I agree totally

[MeiUshu]

Well even if you had one you can't vote kick me because that's harassment. How dare you challenge me. I pay my 15$ a month and if I want to only auto attack because it's good enough to beat the content then I'm entitled to. Stop using your numbers to oppress me. I'm the victim here.

I would challenge you in vk thread in this one you kind of off topic but suits you open for all to see.

[Kaurie]

People complain that adding in a parser will cause toxicity and will knit pick each other's dps, but why not choose the personal parser option? I mean it would be part of your hud, so you could even hide it. "Because people will ask for my numbers or others and cause harassment and exclusion." Parsers ALREADY exist. If they want your numbers, they have them.

Some people use macros, some don't. Tools help some, but not everyone.

I don't want a personal parser, because I feel that it won't address the actual problem. The problem is that people are unaware that their damage is below average. Providing them with a DPS number with no comparable values will do nothing to change that.

[Ghishlain]

I still find it rather sad that people whom, ostensibly, consider themselves to be at the top of the/their game, doing the hardest content, are so insecure about their ability to play that they require and even demand a security blanket in the form of "numbers!".

It's right up there with people (often from the same group - the so-called, self-declared "top players") who will readily tell others to "learn to play", while they themselves have to rely on guides and videos in order to successfully clear content. The people who make those videos and guides "learned to play" the game. People who learn things through trial and error are "learning to play". Those who can't succeed without using guides/videos aren't "learning". They're mimicking.

FFXIV wasn't designed with parsers in-game. They're not allowed. Yet the content is surmountable without them. People don't need parsers to succeed. They use them as a crutch; a security blanket. And no, saying "well they are needed because people use them!" is not an argument - it's a non-sequitur; it's a freaking stupid argument. Further, Yoshi-P has concerns about their implementation. Those concerns are, again, well founded and supported by the behavior of people who've used them, and the drama they inevitably cause in many MMOs, across many years. This game already has its share of would-be dictators who are just dying to get their hands on data they can openly weaponize to harass/belittle/berate other players, because they've convinced themselves they are the arbiter of how everyone else should be playing. Some are already doing it, even with the unsanctioned parsers already in use. Again, I'm sure Yoshi-P sees this, and it's at least part of what he's concerned about. If some are already being this hostile without an official parser, what the hell is going to happen if he officially makes them okay, and it becomes open season?

I'm sure there are some who truly would only use them for good use, who wouldn't abuse or misuse them or weaponize the data. Those individuals clearly wouldn't be the problem. It's all those others who would do so that are the concern. So, I'll say it again.. if you want to see a more positive point-of-view emerge about parsers and their use, start by shunning, shaming and ostracizing those within your sub-group (pro-parsers) who would abuse/misuse/weaponize them. Don't sit on the sidelines and say "Ohhh... I'm sure it'll be fine. None of that's going to happen". Don't be the kind of person who thinks "well, I guess it's going to happen, but as long as I get my parser numbers, and can see others', then it's worth it. People will just have to learn to deal with it".

And for those who keep talking as though there's some mandate that other players must "improve their game to meet your own standards", get the f*** over yourself. Seriously. Your self-importance, arrogance, and sense of authority over how others play are not warranted, nor earned.

This is rich coming from someone who's writing as though they have authority over the community, an arrogance in their assumptions, and their opinion is valued greater than anyone else who's posted here.

If you had read the thread, you would find many people on this thread do not condone the use of a parser to belittle or harass other members of the community. The main argument against this being most people who would harass another player for "not meeting muh standards" would do so regardless of the fact that they have access to a parser or not.

If the implementation of an official parser also included a standard of DPS acceptance for all content of the game, then S-E would limit the amount of "not meeting muh standard" arguments that hit the table.

Right now the grey area of all the arguments thus far in this thread has been "What is a standard of acceptance". Most of the anti-parser people thinks every single pro-parser person in the thread is going to say "Well it's not up to MY standards so boot for you" which is factually untrue and anyone who speaks in this capacity is undermining their own argument. Likewise any pro-paser poster who thinks every single anti-parser poster is a lazy player who wants to just auto-attack falls into the same category if undermining their own argument. Instead, the context of the argument is more of the fact neither side can agree what is considered "a standard of acceptance" with both sides screaming at extreme examples - both of which are unacceptable to the vast majority of the player base.

BTW, just so you know you're not better than those hardcore extreme pro-parser people either. Just considering this rephrase:

I still find it rather sad that people whom, ostensibly, consider themselves to be at the top of the/their game, doing the hardest content the white knights of the S-E message forums, are so insecure about their ability to play that they require and even demand a security blanket in the form of preventing "numbers!".

Also, you may notice that many posters have explicitly said "report all harassment" and using a parser for harassment purposes is no exception. Example:

They already exist and, in addition, you're free to report [the abuser] for harassing and shaming. I have one but I never harass anyone, even if they're terrible: everyone has to start somewhere afterall, but there are people who will harass them and they existed long ago. And parser users aren't the only players who harass others.

The thing is, abuse will always be abuse. You can and should report it. GMs have been very good from what I've seen at dealing with actual abuse.

The parents (or the GMs in this case) just have to be careful and watch over their children so that nothing bad happens (which means, people that would use the DPS meter to insult/mock players who aren't performing that well should get reported and harshly punished by the GMs).

I want you to start screen-shotting people that harass anyone and report them. Guess what. You got them banned if it was actually harrassment, but 999/1000, no one is going to call someone out on low DPS because of a parser, under threat of harrasment.

I know I've explicitly stated the same multiple times as well.

In short - you may want to reconsider how you approach the community as a whole because your arrogance does nothing but show you as an extreme anti-parser and thus your opinion holds less weight as it's clear where your bias lays.

[MeiUshu]

I don't want a personal parser, because I feel that it won't address the actual problem. The problem is that people are unaware that their damage is below average. Providing them with a DPS numbers with no comparable values will do nothing to change that.

So admitedly you want a parser to judge the rest right?snd call them out on it? Exactly the reason why parser should not be added to the game until people grow up

[Rawrz]

I don't want a personal parser, because I feel that it won't address the actual problem. The problem is that people are unaware that their damage is below average. Providing them with a DPS numbers with no comparable values will do nothing to change that.

With more people able to parse content, I'm sure a site like fflogs would expand to give you some context.

So admitedly you want a parser to judge the rest roght?

Her context implies that the low dps should be able to see if improvement is needed.

[Laerune]

I think SE should research other mmorpgs and see how parsers has helped but also hurt the ingame community, based on the researched data, they should either add or not add a parser. In the end pro-parsers win, because even if SE is not going to add parsers, players can still use ACT.

[MeiUshu]

With more people able to parse content, I'm sure a site like fflogs would expand to give you some context.


Her context implies that the low dps should be able to see if improvement is needed.

It should be that but is not what i read there is easy to pretend one thing when called out. If you have your paraer you see your numbers and can then go ask others as opposed to see it. True word of community share by communication as opposed to judge right?

[Kaurie]

With more people able to parse content, I'm sure a site like fflogs would expand to give you some context.


Her context implies that the low dps should be able to see if improvement is needed.

It would for players like you and I, but we're not the problem. We already know our rotations and have discussed/researched/theorycrafted/practiced to improve. The problem lies with the average player, the one who wouldn't go on FFLogs to compare, and that just logs in after work and queues for expert roulette and midas normal. The one who is pulling 500 DPS on their SMN at ilvl 130. If that SMN saw their DPS while leveling, and was like, "hmmm, I am pulling 200 DPS and this other SMN is pulling 450 in this 50 dungeon. 'Hey, how are you pulling so high numbers?'" they might ask, or maybe they'd alt tab after the dungeon and ask on the forum. They would then have that motivation to improve, after realizing that they could be doing so much more. Then, onc they are 130 on their SMN, they already have a good understanding of what to do. They may not be pulling 1500+, but they probably would be doing a lot better than 500.

So admitedly you want a parser to judge the rest right?snd call them out on it? Exactly the reason why parser should not be added to the game until people grow up

Sort of a rather immature response considering the context of your response - it feels rather hypocritical.

Admittedly, I want a parser, so that players can see their number and compare it with others - so that they can see how their relative performance is without the need for someone to tell them. It is very embarassing to have someone say to you, "Hey, your DPS is really low for this.", but if they just saw that number as they were leveling up they could adjust and learn to play. Once they got to end-game they'd be much better players because of it. At least, that is my hope. I imagine some people would still play poorly, and likely there is no helping those people. That said, I do believe there are a lot of players out there who would want to improve if only they knew how they were doing