Would you like an in-game parser?

[Rawrz]

People complain that adding in a parser will cause toxicity and will knit pick each other's dps, but why not choose the personal parser option? I mean it would be part of your hud, so you could even hide it. "Because people will ask for my numbers or others and cause harassment and exclusion." Parsers ALREADY exist. If they want your numbers, they have them.

Some people use macros, some don't. Tools help some, but not everyone.

[MeiUshu]

I always agreed with that. But shows only your numbers to you and not the others. I agree totally

[Kaurie]

People complain that adding in a parser will cause toxicity and will knit pick each other's dps, but why not choose the personal parser option? I mean it would be part of your hud, so you could even hide it. "Because people will ask for my numbers or others and cause harassment and exclusion." Parsers ALREADY exist. If they want your numbers, they have them.

Some people use macros, some don't. Tools help some, but not everyone.

I don't want a personal parser, because I feel that it won't address the actual problem. The problem is that people are unaware that their damage is below average. Providing them with a DPS number with no comparable values will do nothing to change that.

[MeiUshu]

I don't want a personal parser, because I feel that it won't address the actual problem. The problem is that people are unaware that their damage is below average. Providing them with a DPS numbers with no comparable values will do nothing to change that.

So admitedly you want a parser to judge the rest right?snd call them out on it? Exactly the reason why parser should not be added to the game until people grow up

[Rawrz]

I don't want a personal parser, because I feel that it won't address the actual problem. The problem is that people are unaware that their damage is below average. Providing them with a DPS numbers with no comparable values will do nothing to change that.

With more people able to parse content, I'm sure a site like fflogs would expand to give you some context.

So admitedly you want a parser to judge the rest roght?

Her context implies that the low dps should be able to see if improvement is needed.

[MeiUshu]

With more people able to parse content, I'm sure a site like fflogs would expand to give you some context.


Her context implies that the low dps should be able to see if improvement is needed.

It should be that but is not what i read there is easy to pretend one thing when called out. If you have your paraer you see your numbers and can then go ask others as opposed to see it. True word of community share by communication as opposed to judge right?

[Kaurie]

With more people able to parse content, I'm sure a site like fflogs would expand to give you some context.


Her context implies that the low dps should be able to see if improvement is needed.

It would for players like you and I, but we're not the problem. We already know our rotations and have discussed/researched/theorycrafted/practiced to improve. The problem lies with the average player, the one who wouldn't go on FFLogs to compare, and that just logs in after work and queues for expert roulette and midas normal. The one who is pulling 500 DPS on their SMN at ilvl 130. If that SMN saw their DPS while leveling, and was like, "hmmm, I am pulling 200 DPS and this other SMN is pulling 450 in this 50 dungeon. 'Hey, how are you pulling so high numbers?'" they might ask, or maybe they'd alt tab after the dungeon and ask on the forum. They would then have that motivation to improve, after realizing that they could be doing so much more. Then, onc they are 130 on their SMN, they already have a good understanding of what to do. They may not be pulling 1500+, but they probably would be doing a lot better than 500.

So admitedly you want a parser to judge the rest right?snd call them out on it? Exactly the reason why parser should not be added to the game until people grow up

Sort of a rather immature response considering the context of your response - it feels rather hypocritical.

Admittedly, I want a parser, so that players can see their number and compare it with others - so that they can see how their relative performance is without the need for someone to tell them. It is very embarassing to have someone say to you, "Hey, your DPS is really low for this.", but if they just saw that number as they were leveling up they could adjust and learn to play. Once they got to end-game they'd be much better players because of it. At least, that is my hope. I imagine some people would still play poorly, and likely there is no helping those people. That said, I do believe there are a lot of players out there who would want to improve if only they knew how they were doing

[Reinha]

Admittedly, I want a parser, so that players can see their number and compare it with others - so that they can see how their relative performance is without the need for someone to tell them.

This can be solved with a personal parser too. The developers have already made training dummies for instances with a certain intended entry item level. They have the knowledge what different jobs can do at different item levels. So instead of players having to guess if their team members are a standard worth aiming for (you don't always get paired with your own job, you don't know the item level of others and you don't know if they are craptastic or legendary players), the personal parser can give (A) red-yellow-green colour scales for your dps number, (B) a tickable box in the window that reveals a good dps goal for your current ilevel or (C) a dynamic percentage that compares your dps to the optimal.

I know savage might require you to find the weak link to clear it, but you specifically mentioned dungeons and Midas normal, the places where people go to practice dealing with mechanics and to have a stress-free time. This is how you can offer a tool for improvement with no harassment, no player made standards and no competitive atmosphere.

[Kaurie]

This can be solved with a personal parser too. The developers have already made training dummies for instances with a certain intended entry item level. They have the knowledge what different jobs can do at different item levels. So instead of players having to guess if their team members are a standard worth aiming for (you don't always get paired with your own job, you don't know the item level of others and you don't know if they are craptastic or legendary players), the personal parser can give (A) red-yellow-green colour scales for your dps number, (B) a tickable box in the window that reveals a good dps goal for your current ilevel or (C) a dynamic percentage that compares your dps to the optimal.

The issue is that if it is not shown to you, the only people who are going to know comparative values are those that are already working to improve their DPS. There is no new added incentive for people to improve. Having it in their face that their DPS is less is the added incentive. Having a look at a static number and comparing is where what you noted would be exaggerated. That is, if you ask what someones DPS should be in X environment, people will give you a number - but these numbers vary depending on many factors (i.e. buffs, length of fight, positioning with tank etc.). If you have a constant parser with constant comparative values that you see from the get go, you will see and understand the differences. You'll know that Monks generally have better single target DPS and Summoners have better AoE. You'll know that sometimes the difference in damage output is due to ilvl variations. However, you'll have hundreds of runs of sample sizes to see how things have changed. That is why a group parser would be far more beneficial to addressing the problem than a personal parser.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

I don't want a personal parser, because I feel that it won't address the actual problem. The problem is that people are unaware that their damage is below average. Providing them with a DPS number with no comparable values will do nothing to change that.

If people don't want to get better without a parser, what makes you think people would want to get better with one active? Parsers don't magically make your numbers better if you don't want to perform better, and not having a parser doesn't make it impossible to improve, you just have to gitgud at crunching numbers. I have never seen anything positive ever come from parsers.