Would you like an in-game parser?

[Reynhart]

Actually, back when I just swapped from ps3 to ps4 we had this smn in turn9 with us. His dps was low as hell, I talk about 260 with pet.

Weren't you able to tell what was wrong even without a parser ?

I was MNK when this happened before going smn, and my MNK, well was pretty bad on that turn. Found out I did hella crap in that fight till people told me to fix it, since 4 people ran parsers.

I stopped playing MNK after reaching lvl50, so I won't judge it. But, as a DRG, I find most of the glaring flaws in the rotation to be really, really obvious. And it gave me good times coaching and theoryzing with friends, while a parser would have been a much colder way of training.

Then why the vast majority of the game's fight are dps checks?

That wasn't the case before Alex savage. DPS checks in 2.x were very forgiving, unless you were doing something really really wrong. But, even at that time, people were obsessed with DPS. I Wonder if the obsession for DPS numbers gave birth to hard DPS checks instead of the other way round.

And for those who keep talking as though there's some mandate that other players must "improve their game to meet your own standards", get the f*** over yourself. Seriously.

Saddly, it's not only about what other players want. Now, we have an official DPS check in the form of SSS. If someone beats it but is lacking a bit in raid, ok, it's not that bad, just give him time to progress. But, I'm pretty sure lots of people don't even bother to beat SSS, and they'd probably fail at that. And SSS is the game's standard, not our own.

[Seraphix2407]

I think SSS ignores food and pots anyway so don't waste them

No they don't. I would only do it if you really wanna beat the thing and have less gear :P

Weren't you able to tell what was wrong even without a parser ?[/B]

TBH MNK has the most straight forward rotation compare to DRG. MNK was like the top dps in that fight. I fixed it however and we managed to kill it atleast. I just practiced as MNK and asked one of the server best ones how to play it. As for knowing, I was on ps4 so I couldn't tell and I kinda did expect him to know his class somewhat well. Took me few tried to do 100 more than him which I found sad. Few in group was actually on pc but not parsing as well was just 3-4 of us who did and they all said his DPS was low, if we didn't know we could never find out who's ''fault'' it was.

[Rawrz]

I just want to say, I've been playing for years and you're the most toxic person I've seen. Ironic.

Right? Being told to go play another game, instead of adding it onto this one, gets old too. Not like I ever played wow and climbed the elitest ranks to become king of the "toxic" players, but that's apparently where I need "to go back to." Even if 2/3 of this forum population is pro parser in some form.

[Reynhart]

I would only do it if you really wanna beat the thing and have less gear :P

Isn't i217 appropriately "less gear" for Midas Savage, considering Midas drops i220 ?

[Voltyblast]

[/B]That wasn't the case before Alex savage. DPS checks in 2.x were very forgiving, unless you were doing something really really wrong

There were still checks however: whether forgiving or not, it required you to have a threshold to achieve, which required numbers. Hence a need to "know" your numbers, even if they were flexible and easy to achieve.

Remove the checks, you remove the need of a parser. But dps checks are the easiest, cheapest way to increase the difficulty of an encounter and I highly doubt they'll remove it. I'm not saying they're lazy, but that instead of constant checks over checks for damage we could have some fun, remarkable mechanics to attempt while fighting (Cerberus still remains my favourite fight in the entire game, shame that's only done in a crappy raid)

PS: and if someone say that "if we don't have checks, we could do 8 tanks fight"...why do you speak that as if it's a bad thing? I think that having the possibility of changing and making weird combos is a good one.

[LadyCeles]

Once again. It is a game and you should have fun. No one should be harassed or belittled. Duty finder stuff doesnt need parsers. When i enter duty finder content i dont care how good you are, I just want to get whatever i went in there for. I dont expect you to be good. If its a bad run ohh well. If you seem like you want help getting better ill be happy to help. But if im going to run savage content there better be at least one person parsing. If someone has low dps doesnt make them bad. If they cant dodge or makes the same mistakes over and over again over a long period of time does. You can learn different or modified rotations. If you cant learn mechanics you shouldnt be in that content, but that doesnt mean i dont like you. Most my favorite people are not raid worthy people but i play with them alot and help them get better if they want my help. Some of them get alot better to the point to where they are ready for raid.

[Reynhart]

Remove the checks, you remove the need of a parser.

Again, what parsers offer is a precise number, you don't need a precise number to progress, you need skill.
Back in 2.0, where required ilvl wasn't even a thing, some people wouldn't invite you to Titan unless you already have a relic because heart phase was a DPS check. I did Titan with a team barely equipped from Amdapor Keep.
If you had me in your team as a DRG, with another DRG and his Gae Bolg, he could easily beat me on DPS even if his rotation was worse than mine.

As for 8 tank fights...yes, it would be fun...and doable for some trials. After all, a certain someone here did take part in a 7 PLD 1 SCH Seph EX

[MeiUshu]

I did al the primals without a parsers, I did coils up to T9 without parsers (beyond I couldnt commit to a static). I have done everything through DF EVERYTHING (except stuff that require a static) and I didnt need a parser. I am with Reynhart on this. It did most in 2.0.

Parsers gives cold numbers, people should be able to put them in context and most cant do that, which then leads to wrong assumptions and names calling where there is no need since they were doing fine if put into context.

With parsers, most want just a reason to check what others do to find a fault and berate them....and yeah if you are honest is true. There are exceptions but they are far and few in between.

[LadyCeles]

And if you removed dps checks you wouldnt remove parsers. Best mitigation is high dps. If you can clear early and have less phases, less mechanics and less overal damage is best for the team. Less chance of error. A parser will never be not used by a team who is serious

[Reynhart]

Parsers gives cold numbers, people should be able to put them in context and most cant do that, which then leads to wrong assumptions and names calling where there is no need since they were doing fine if put into context.

Little story here. Back in 2.x, I build my own static to beat Coil. Once HW came and some people quit, I joined another static in my FC, and my leader is pretty much obsessed with DPS. He's the one who'd rather stop a try the earliest because of a DPS issue instead of progressing as much as possible while learning mechanics.

So, most of the time, the end briefing was "Please, check your rotation". But, he plays AST and BLM, and had absolutely no idea what could go wrong for a DRG (me) or a BRD (fellow DPS). So yeah, he had a parser, but it wasn't of any help whatsoever.

And if you removed dps checks you wouldnt remove parsers. Best mitigation is high dps.

If that was true, we wouldn't need tanks...Been there in FFXI, done that, didn't like it.
Besides, doing the most DPS can encourage people to stay in AoE and let the healer compensate. It's weird to consider this the "best mitigation"

A parser will never be not used by a team who is serious

So, no full PS3/4 team can be serious ?