Would you like an in-game parser?

[Voltyblast]

[/B]That wasn't the case before Alex savage. DPS checks in 2.x were very forgiving, unless you were doing something really really wrong

There were still checks however: whether forgiving or not, it required you to have a threshold to achieve, which required numbers. Hence a need to "know" your numbers, even if they were flexible and easy to achieve.

Remove the checks, you remove the need of a parser. But dps checks are the easiest, cheapest way to increase the difficulty of an encounter and I highly doubt they'll remove it. I'm not saying they're lazy, but that instead of constant checks over checks for damage we could have some fun, remarkable mechanics to attempt while fighting (Cerberus still remains my favourite fight in the entire game, shame that's only done in a crappy raid)

PS: and if someone say that "if we don't have checks, we could do 8 tanks fight"...why do you speak that as if it's a bad thing? I think that having the possibility of changing and making weird combos is a good one.

[Reynhart]

Remove the checks, you remove the need of a parser.

Again, what parsers offer is a precise number, you don't need a precise number to progress, you need skill.
Back in 2.0, where required ilvl wasn't even a thing, some people wouldn't invite you to Titan unless you already have a relic because heart phase was a DPS check. I did Titan with a team barely equipped from Amdapor Keep.
If you had me in your team as a DRG, with another DRG and his Gae Bolg, he could easily beat me on DPS even if his rotation was worse than mine.

As for 8 tank fights...yes, it would be fun...and doable for some trials. After all, a certain someone here did take part in a 7 PLD 1 SCH Seph EX

[MeiUshu]

I did al the primals without a parsers, I did coils up to T9 without parsers (beyond I couldnt commit to a static). I have done everything through DF EVERYTHING (except stuff that require a static) and I didnt need a parser. I am with Reynhart on this. It did most in 2.0.

Parsers gives cold numbers, people should be able to put them in context and most cant do that, which then leads to wrong assumptions and names calling where there is no need since they were doing fine if put into context.

With parsers, most want just a reason to check what others do to find a fault and berate them....and yeah if you are honest is true. There are exceptions but they are far and few in between.

[Reynhart]

Parsers gives cold numbers, people should be able to put them in context and most cant do that, which then leads to wrong assumptions and names calling where there is no need since they were doing fine if put into context.

Little story here. Back in 2.x, I build my own static to beat Coil. Once HW came and some people quit, I joined another static in my FC, and my leader is pretty much obsessed with DPS. He's the one who'd rather stop a try the earliest because of a DPS issue instead of progressing as much as possible while learning mechanics.

So, most of the time, the end briefing was "Please, check your rotation". But, he plays AST and BLM, and had absolutely no idea what could go wrong for a DRG (me) or a BRD (fellow DPS). So yeah, he had a parser, but it wasn't of any help whatsoever.

And if you removed dps checks you wouldnt remove parsers. Best mitigation is high dps.

If that was true, we wouldn't need tanks...Been there in FFXI, done that, didn't like it.
Besides, doing the most DPS can encourage people to stay in AoE and let the healer compensate. It's weird to consider this the "best mitigation"

A parser will never be not used by a team who is serious

So, no full PS3/4 team can be serious ?

[Seraphix2407]

So, no full PS3/4 team can be serious ?

TBH I think you took it the wrong way. It can be done serious, but is it optimized? Put a full group in any content they never done, let them practice for weeks. They all think they are doing insane or somewhat great dps, put a guy in there and he parsers and hes telling you all you are doing 300-400 less. It would come as a shock, like how you can skip prey in midas 1 savage when you pull the boss. Many still can't do it evem with the overgear they have.

About the mitigation, it's a bit too much to say we wouldn't need tanks. Tanks is needed no matter what, what he means is when something dies faster it helps on survival, MP and less mechanic to deal with.

Look, I have a friend who clears m1 savage in 4:20. My group does it at 5:50-6 min. He skips a few things we would love to skip, in fact many people would love to skip. Another example people wait for echo to just burst down a boss to skip mechanics. If people did coil in duty finder, it was already nerfed, meaning it was added with echo. Coil wasn't the current tier if you beat it duty finder.

I could go on but I rather not. Now we both know you and I have somewhat sense in how we talk and how we are on these forums, because even if we disagree with each other doesn't mean I dislike you, because you seem like a okay dude I would hang out with. But I think you missunderstood his whole post. About 217 gear and midas 1. I beat it on MNK, not on DRG. On MNK I even had the 205 chest XD.
I was about 217-218 ish. If you don't mind, list up the gear you use and I can try and see if I can pull it off. Then perhahps I could help you out if you want .

Thank you for proving what many of us have been saying that this community is NOT mature enough to play with others and why parsers should NEVER BE IMPLEMENTED in this game.

But but.. This is also what many in this thread and forum have also proved, how immature people can be.. Accepting people being carried, don't tell them how to play because casting blizzard 1 is fine, doing no positional combos, no dots etc up. I can quote everyone who accept this. That's insanely toxic. How you just talked was just crazy toxic as well, so you can't excactly say you are any better. You went too far this time.

I would like one just for myself. I don't really care about others, I just want to get better and feel like it would help me.

Awesome. And if you and I was on same server, I would gladly spend days, hours, weeks even months helping you improving, because you seem to be one of the people who like to improve. Kudos to you!

[Pastel_Orchid]

Awesome. And if you and I was on same server, I would gladly spend days, hours, weeks even months helping you improving, because you seem to be one of the people who like to improve. Kudos to you!

Yay for helping people !

I should expand upon this I think as the initial answer was lack luster. The thread reads would I want a parser in game? Yes I would like a personal one to see where I am sitting as numbers are the thing that makes the most sense to me. That being said I know many people are looking for a non personal one to be able to gauge other people. I am really fine with this as well, its just not something I would personally use as I am not a top player and I don't feel like I could judge anyone else's dps or be in a place to offer them any advice. However, if someone wanted to use it on me and saw I was doing subpar then great! But the numbers are just the first inclination that I am doing something wrong. I want people to be able to look at my rotation and be able to say "Hey you're not using such and such correctly have you ever though of doing xyz" something along those lines. I mean I could have bomb gear and not know what in the world I am doing.I think any way the cards are dealt there are going to be sassy peoplewho will judge you and offer no help whatsoever and also people that you will try to help who will refuse it because of whatever reason. That happens now, it will happen forever. But if this could be implemented in a way that the community could actually utilize it to build better players then awesome!

Could it be tied to mentor status or something along those lines? I mean aren't mentors supposed to be able to know different classes and be able to mentor people and help them(in theory of course)? Maybe have a check box where you could turn off the ability for other people to view yours? Maybe in the beginning you have the ability to use it on yourself and not others but after a certain criteria is met you can use it on others? You can report people for abusing it?

Ideas Ideas

[LadyCeles]

If you did coils in DF it wasnt the current raid and was already nerfed and had echo added. So that doesnt count. And actually i got all the way through to t9 before i seen what a serious group does i understood more. Can they be done without a parser, yes. But the sucess rate would be alot less. Theres alot of content that u dont need one but like i said make it only available for current savage content and bothsides will be happy. The ones that want it will get to use it for stuff they need it for and the people that dont want to be told there dps is low wont be told that cause they wont be in savage content

[Reynhart]

make it only available for current savage content and bothsides will be happy.

Of course not. We don't want a parser because it will allow people to easily put the blame on someone even though they're not really sure about what went wrong, and you suggest to attach it in the only content where people will bother putting the blame on anyone even though they're not sure about what went wrong.

And again, why should we forced to only one option for the whole community ?

[LadyCeles]

Ok im not a piece of s*** because i say some lack skill to be in my raid team. I still help them learn the fights and play all content with them. Im not the one calling people names like i was a child. And yes high dps is best mitigation, i am a tank. If we skip a phase with a tank buster or if we dont have to fight the shakte in a5s that would be alot less damage taken aka mitigation. You against parser people argue and harass people more then pro.parser people. I play all content with everyone. But i wont take someone with no skill in my static but i would help them learn it after my static gets its weekly clear. Im all about people having fun first and i dont rage in raid. Its not the mistakes you make its how you move forward from them

[Reynhart]

It can be done serious, but is it optimized?

But she didn't say "not optimized", right ?

You against parser people argue and harass people more then pro.parser people.

So, saying that a parser is not mandatory and that everyone should be able to do as he want is harassing ?

But i wont take someone with no skill in my static

Being slighty higher or lower on a parser is a really poor testimony of skill.