Would you like an in-game parser?

[KarstenS]

Yet the content is surmountable without them. People don't need parsers to succeed.

I've stopped at this sentence.

Just "most" content is doable without knowing the performance. But there is content where you have to know how you perform and where you need to improve.

Tell me if I'm wrong. But you never have stepped a foot into content like Coil or Alex Savage. I can understand that it is hard to believe when you never got in touch with the more challanging part of the PvE end game. But this doesn't mean it isn't there.

[Reynhart]

Tell me if I'm wrong. But you never have stepped a foot into content like Coil or Alex Savage.

Do you consider Coil as a content where you need a parser ? I tried to not talk about it because I feared people would simply brush it off as "Pfff, Coil was really forgiving when it comes to DPS, so of course a parser isn't needed".
But, if coil is legitimate, then yeah, my static did it all without any parser.
So...still not mandatory

[Seraphix2407]

Do you consider Coil as a content where you need a parser ? I tried to not talk about it because I feared people would simply brush it off as "Pfff, Coil was really forgiving when it comes to DPS, so of course a parser isn't needed".
But, if coil is legitimate, then yeah, my static did it all without any parser.
So...still not mandatory

Actually, back when I just swapped from ps3 to ps4 we had this smn in turn9 with us. His dps was low as hell, I talk about 260 with pet. Having 4-5 meteor's wasnt something you would really want to optimize, pushing them mean you would mostlikely skip enerage too because enrage timer goes off before pull but duration doesn't go through add phase. If you had 5 meteor in phase 1, means you would struggle in last phase, where there are alot more movement in therms of mechanics. So they swapped me to smn after 2 weeks and I did 350 plus. We even skipped meteors.
You could do it but that could also mean overgeared like crazy, or many weeks into second coil where hunts became a thing and could upgrade.

I remember my group did turn 6-7-8 withint 7 hours raid times. Ironicly the one we struggled most with was turn 8 lol. Even if it was a dummy strike boss, lack of gear needed to optimize. I was MNK when this happened before going smn, and my MNK, well was pretty bad on that turn. Found out I did hella crap in that fight till people told me to fix it, since 4 people ran parsers.

[Reynhart]

Actually, back when I just swapped from ps3 to ps4 we had this smn in turn9 with us. His dps was low as hell, I talk about 260 with pet.

Weren't you able to tell what was wrong even without a parser ?

I was MNK when this happened before going smn, and my MNK, well was pretty bad on that turn. Found out I did hella crap in that fight till people told me to fix it, since 4 people ran parsers.

I stopped playing MNK after reaching lvl50, so I won't judge it. But, as a DRG, I find most of the glaring flaws in the rotation to be really, really obvious. And it gave me good times coaching and theoryzing with friends, while a parser would have been a much colder way of training.

Then why the vast majority of the game's fight are dps checks?

That wasn't the case before Alex savage. DPS checks in 2.x were very forgiving, unless you were doing something really really wrong. But, even at that time, people were obsessed with DPS. I Wonder if the obsession for DPS numbers gave birth to hard DPS checks instead of the other way round.

And for those who keep talking as though there's some mandate that other players must "improve their game to meet your own standards", get the f*** over yourself. Seriously.

Saddly, it's not only about what other players want. Now, we have an official DPS check in the form of SSS. If someone beats it but is lacking a bit in raid, ok, it's not that bad, just give him time to progress. But, I'm pretty sure lots of people don't even bother to beat SSS, and they'd probably fail at that. And SSS is the game's standard, not our own.

[Voltyblast]

[/B]That wasn't the case before Alex savage. DPS checks in 2.x were very forgiving, unless you were doing something really really wrong

There were still checks however: whether forgiving or not, it required you to have a threshold to achieve, which required numbers. Hence a need to "know" your numbers, even if they were flexible and easy to achieve.

Remove the checks, you remove the need of a parser. But dps checks are the easiest, cheapest way to increase the difficulty of an encounter and I highly doubt they'll remove it. I'm not saying they're lazy, but that instead of constant checks over checks for damage we could have some fun, remarkable mechanics to attempt while fighting (Cerberus still remains my favourite fight in the entire game, shame that's only done in a crappy raid)

PS: and if someone say that "if we don't have checks, we could do 8 tanks fight"...why do you speak that as if it's a bad thing? I think that having the possibility of changing and making weird combos is a good one.

[Reynhart]

Remove the checks, you remove the need of a parser.

Again, what parsers offer is a precise number, you don't need a precise number to progress, you need skill.
Back in 2.0, where required ilvl wasn't even a thing, some people wouldn't invite you to Titan unless you already have a relic because heart phase was a DPS check. I did Titan with a team barely equipped from Amdapor Keep.
If you had me in your team as a DRG, with another DRG and his Gae Bolg, he could easily beat me on DPS even if his rotation was worse than mine.

As for 8 tank fights...yes, it would be fun...and doable for some trials. After all, a certain someone here did take part in a 7 PLD 1 SCH Seph EX

[MeiUshu]

I did al the primals without a parsers, I did coils up to T9 without parsers (beyond I couldnt commit to a static). I have done everything through DF EVERYTHING (except stuff that require a static) and I didnt need a parser. I am with Reynhart on this. It did most in 2.0.

Parsers gives cold numbers, people should be able to put them in context and most cant do that, which then leads to wrong assumptions and names calling where there is no need since they were doing fine if put into context.

With parsers, most want just a reason to check what others do to find a fault and berate them....and yeah if you are honest is true. There are exceptions but they are far and few in between.

[LadyCeles]

If you did coils in DF it wasnt the current raid and was already nerfed and had echo added. So that doesnt count. And actually i got all the way through to t9 before i seen what a serious group does i understood more. Can they be done without a parser, yes. But the sucess rate would be alot less. Theres alot of content that u dont need one but like i said make it only available for current savage content and bothsides will be happy. The ones that want it will get to use it for stuff they need it for and the people that dont want to be told there dps is low wont be told that cause they wont be in savage content

[LadyCeles]

Ok im not a piece of s*** because i say some lack skill to be in my raid team. I still help them learn the fights and play all content with them. Im not the one calling people names like i was a child. And yes high dps is best mitigation, i am a tank. If we skip a phase with a tank buster or if we dont have to fight the shakte in a5s that would be alot less damage taken aka mitigation. You against parser people argue and harass people more then pro.parser people. I play all content with everyone. But i wont take someone with no skill in my static but i would help them learn it after my static gets its weekly clear. Im all about people having fun first and i dont rage in raid. Its not the mistakes you make its how you move forward from them

[LadyCeles]

And if your group doesnt know what killed the group and just blames parse numbers they might want to do videos to see who did what mechanic wrong. Mechanics should always come before dps. U cant dps if your dead and your healers run out of mp if they have to raise alot. Dps will get better the more you get familiar with the fight. But knowing your progression and reggression should be important to every raider