Would you like an in-game parser?

[randysquirrel]

The major fear here is not having or not parsers. The problem here is the creation of a DPS obsesed community.

For all the bad things you suggest would happen should an in-game parser be introduced (and from which I infer you think is not currently the case)... half the playerbase ALREADY use a parser, and none of these things happen

[MeiUshu]

For all the bad things you suggest would happen should an in-game parser be introduced (and from which I infer you think is not currently the case)... half the playerbase ALREADY use a parser, and none of these things happen

they use it and dont speak of it why ? because they could be reported AND banned. If this is not the case anymore and there is in fact an in game parser allowed there will be abuse of it since there is no repercussions right ? and since you dont really need any reasons to kick someone, the *i dont like him being not up to paar because of parsers numbers* a common reason to get rid of players even if they are new, Learning or just trying out....having a parser and allowed in game will just make this community more toxic then it already is

[Eidolon]

they use it and dont speak of it why ? because they could be reported AND banned. If this is not the case anymore and there is in fact an in game parser allowed there will be abuse of it since there is no repercussions right ? and since you dont really need any reasons to kick someone, the *i dont like him being not up to paar because of parsers numbers* a common reason to get rid of players even if they are new, Learning or just trying out....having a parser and allowed in game will just make this community more toxic then it already is

Quite the opposite, actually. Consider this:



We can't tell someone they're doing poorly, because of the fact that if we do, we run the risk of 'getting reported for using a parser.' Rather, because some players have chosen to weaponise this fact, players are unable to help eachother.

So instead, we get to the point where - instead of trying to help people, we just kick them without a word, because their DPS is too low. We are unable to help them.

Enabling a parser to be used in a social and casual environment, will enable people to speak up about lower DPS - so long as it is done in a constructive manner. This is because it also protects the one looking at hte numbers from the people who go "You're parsing! Enjoy your ban! Hahhahaha." (Which is a genuine response you will see constantly.)

[Reynhart]

We can't tell someone they're doing poorly, because of the fact that if we do, we run the risk of 'getting reported for using a parser.' Rather, because some players have chosen to weaponise this fact, players are unable to help eachother.

Actually, telling someone "You're doing poorly" doesn't make anything. Unless you can tell them how they can do better, then you're not really helping them.
And since a parser doesn't tell them what they can do better, its utility is also questionable.

You have to accept you can never fully prevent harassment, and punishing the majority for the sake of preventing the minority will never be a good solution!

But you don't have to legalize what those people use as harassment.

Here's a question : If that much people already use a parser, as some people claim, then why do they bother about having an official one ? If it's for personal progression, or to help friends improve, then they can use without fearing a report or a ban, right ?

[randysquirrel]

they use it and dont speak of it why ? because they could be reported AND banned. If this is not the case anymore and there is in fact an in game parser allowed there will be abuse of it since there is no repercussions right ? and since you dont really need any reasons to kick someone, the *i dont like him being not up to paar because of parsers numbers* a common reason to get rid of players even if they are new, Learning or just trying out....having a parser and allowed in game will just make this community more toxic then it already is

I speak only from experience. I have never been silently kicked from a group with no reason given. I have never seen anyone else silently kicked with no reason given.

Do you experience this often then?

[Reiryuu]

I speak only from experience. I have never been silently kicked from a group with no reason given. I have never seen anyone else silently kicked with no reason given.

Do you experience this often then?

I've seen it happen to others and heard about it happening in FC/LS chat on Masamune when I moved there from Balmung (live in Taiwan so the lag to the US servers is killer). I since moved to Valefor to avoid that crowd (to which I was exposed to a lot on Masamune from PF to DF) and I still hear it happening a few times on Valefor too from LS members who do that sort of content. Though the Japanese players apparently have a 4chan (or 2chan... I didn't pay much attention since I don't do that stuff anymore) thread about bad players and people to blacklist from raiding.

Though the majority of players put there are described as 地雷 (basically land mines-- they fail mechanics often, etc. I'm not sure if there's anything about bad dps)

[Krissey]

I've seen it happen to others and heard about it happening in FC/LS chat on Masamune when I moved there from Balmung (live in Taiwan so the lag to the US servers is killer). I since moved to Valefor to avoid that crowd (to which I was exposed to a lot on Masamune from PF to DF) and I still hear it happening a few times on Valefor too from LS members who do that sort of content. Though the Japanese players apparently have a 4chan (or 2chan... I didn't pay much attention since I don't do that stuff anymore) thread about bad players and people to blacklist from raiding.

Though the majority of players put there are described as 地雷 (basically land mines-- they fail mechanics often, etc. I'm not sure if there's anything about bad dps)

They have bad DPS because they fail mechanics. A dead DPS does no DPS.

[Seraphix2407]

I will just ask the people who mention SSS. Okay you have that website and yes, I've been aware of it, because I've seen it. Now you know somewhat your dps numbers on a dummy
I know that the dummy require more DPS than the actual fight. So I see ChakoTako want's to improve which is great. They start to calcuate and use the website and see if they improve or not.

Now, I will ask; They enter they fight and let's say on a dummy they done 1.8k. So it means you somewhat want to be around 1.4k-1.5k in the actual fight. Now let's say you do your mechanics and you do the rotation as you wanted to do, but hold on, now you need to move because of aoe's then might need to move because of earthshaker. What happens? Yes less dps, now I'm not saying your dps gonna be flat out bad because you had to do a few mechanics. You kill the fight, and you think hey I did great. You have some one telling you the numbers because you are curious and all happy. It's 950. 950... Okay. Is that great? Is that acceptable
Now if that's acceptable, put 3 more dps and tanks doing less than 700 in the same fight calculating that healers doesn't need to dps, because first of all seph isn't that hardcore dps check fight so healers shouldn't have to anyways. So lets say 950 x4 = 3800. Add tank DPS 700x2 = 1.400. 3800+1400 = 5200. Now. I will ask you do you think you could kill seph with that dps? I wont give you the answer I will see if you know.

Problem is, there is so much more knowing if you improved on a dummy. I improve many times on a dummy doesn't mean I improve in the actual fight.
You know whats also selfish and super toxic? Having 3 decent/good dps pulling off their weight so 1 guy can just sit there and half ass do it, which happens way too many times.
Yesterday helped this group with a clear, his friend needed it and this MNK needed it but nobody knew him. We kill it and and hes 700 less but including death so 350 ish less than he should been.Wanna know why we won? Because EVERYONE pulled their weight off. If people played excactly like this mnk without being dead it wouldn't been dead at all. And you know what that is to me? Toxic and super selfish. Wanna know what's even worse? Guy rolls need on weapon when some one else needs it, and the MNK already had the 230 weapon. Selfish and toxic. So before anyone says parsers will turn people into an asshole, please be aware there are people like that and those are the ones I kindly want to avoid, but sadly me telling them they did horrible would just leave them a 5 sec click away from calling a GM saying I'm such a horrible person. While you were wasting peoples time quite few time being dead on the floor or not doing enough as you should been. Toxic I tell ya.

So the question is, once again. How can you know you improved in a actual fight. Do you go by the good old '' I think I did great'' feeling. Or just hope you did well?

Edit 1:

It already is a DPS obsessed community. I dare you to go to the healer forums and say healer DPS doesn't matter.

In the GIF thread that's supposed to be fun and make you laugh someone complained about a healer DPSing and letting them drop down to 50 HP and everyone tore their head off defending the healer.

Id like to see that quote somewhere, people letting healers drop down to 50 hp and then defend the healer.

edit 2: Sorry Cnidarian for edting few times.

[Krissey]

Id like to see that quote somewhere, people letting healers drop down to 50 hp and then defend the healer.

edit 2: Sorry Cnidarian for edting few times.

As a tank, when you get a healer that thinks they're a DPS. (As in Cleric Stance on, lets your health drop to 50 every single mob pull before healing, etc.)



When you look at the crappy healer's search info, and see they have all combat classes to level 60.

Euhm, I don't want to turn this thread into a healer dps debate thread, but that healer was obviously a better player then you.

but did you die

50... what? 50% hp? As a healer main, I'll say that's totally acceptable/normal before switching to heal you in a normal pull situation, if they know what they're doing. o_O I normally start casting heal when the tank is at about 60/70% so my heal comes through once they hit 50ish%. Even then, some may say that's too soon. (though, I find myself struggling to balance DPS/Heal with SCH, and trusting the fae... my least fav of the healer classes >_> #canttrustthemfaeries)

If your hp was down to 10% (and possibly more) by the time that heal reached you, (IE, damage is flying like crazy and hp drops super fast before and after the cast), and you're popping cool downs properly, all the time, then that's different. Then they need to re-evaluate when they can DPS (or to stay healing only if it's really that much damage going on) in that particular mob...

By letting me get down to literally 50 health points every mob? NOT 50%. 50 health points. Also "that player is better than you" isn't a debate. I guess you're a troll.

I meant literally 50 health points nearly every mob. And I always use my cooldowns asap and make sure I have up-to-level gear.

Seeing the other responses to my post, that a healer like that is just fine, jeeze I hate this community sometimes.

Yes. Several times.
It wouldn't matter anyway, a healer that lets their tank get down to 50 health points (not percent) sucks at their job. And yes, I was using all my cooldowns and had gear and all that.

You can't get mad at us when you present the error. When you say 50 we all assume you mean 50%, not literally 50hp. So yes, everyone who was defending the method of healing you when your at 50% and DPSing is just fine. Next time, make sure your 100% clear because I doubt anyone here would commend that unless you never died, in which case you would have zero reason to complain which is also something you left out.

I understood 50 HP from the start.. not sure why everyone thinks its 50% >_>

Jeeze, chill, I wasnt snapping. I wasnt aware that it meant 50 percent. I'm sorry, okay? Do I need to bow down and lick your feet or something? This community is way too darn hostile, ffs. You*all need to calm down and relax, alright?

I was mainly irritated at the person who was like "Theyre a better player than you" because thats just being an a-hole and trying to pick a fight rather than having a debate.

Good, though. Im glad you guys dont actually believe healing at 50 health points is okay, because most of the time the tank does die with healers like that. Even if they dont die, thats just cutting it too close. It's cool to help kill stuff as a healer, but you need to prioritize healing first. If the tank continuously gets down to one hit away from dying, and theyre doing their job right, youre not doing yours.

Anyway, Im out, had enough of people trying to bite my head off over some minor misunderstanding. Good job proving my point once again about this community. -w-

Here are the quotes you asked for. All in a silly gif thread. So yeah. DPS obsessed community much?

TL;DR Tank has the AUDACITY to question a healer not doing their primary job (healing) and gets shit on by the overzealous community for DARING to question a healer that was mostly just DPSing.

[LaylaTsarra]

For all the bad things you suggest would happen should an in-game parser be introduced (and from which I infer you think is not currently the case)... half the playerbase ALREADY use a parser, and none of these things happen

Do you care to provide a link to justify that statement, Randy, or is that another LETS ASSUME what everyone does. The raiding community isn't anywhere near half the community and I'd venture to guess it's actually a very small part of it. The parser crowd needs to step back and stop thinking they are the game, they aren't. Most people I would suspect don't even know what a parser is let alone have one or want one. But then again I have to be careful and qualify that cause it's MY OPINION and I don't want to assume it's true like some here LOVE TO DO.

Lets massage the truth to fit in with our personal agenda after all it's a forum and what is posted here HAS TO BE TRUE, right?