Would you like an in-game parser?

[LaylaTsarra]

Seems to me the playerbase has done just fine without a Parser all this time. After all, every new dungeon, quest, trial, etc introduced - whether normal, hard, or savage, has been cleared, has it not?

Seems to me people are doing just fine without parsers to tell them what they already know - that they're doing sufficient output, and dancing to the mechanics sufficiently to defeat the content. But that's not enough. There's gotta be NUMBERS!

The SSS is clearly demonstrating to them exactly what they already want to know: Are they geared and performing sufficiently to handle related content. If they clear the SSS, then the definitive answer to that is "Yes, you are capable of clearing that content. Your Damage output and/or rotation are sufficient. You would have failed otherwise". But that's not enough. There's gotta be NUMBERS!

And further still, it's not enough - for some - to only see their own numbers. They already know they're awesome. No no... they have to see others' numbers, too. They want ALL THE NUMBERS!! Why? So they can lord over those whose NUMBERS!! don't match their own, or meet their own personal "standard" of what others "are required to meet". So they can berate all those "n00bs" and "bads" and "filthy casuals" for daring to exist in their game.

And to those saying "no no.... that totes won't be abused in FFXIV. It's all for the good of the players!" - you're either very new to MMOs, or you're a liar. Straight up.

People being arrogant pricks, mocking, berating and kicking others over "poor dps numbers" has been happening for years now, across numerous MMOs. People have been obsessed with NUMBERS! for a long time, and it's been well discussed and debated. Among others, it's one of the main reasons why so many are against them. It turns your standard garden variety elitist prick into an elitist prick who feels justified in behaving that way, because they have "data" to fling around as ammunition... data which others in their group may not give a crap about (they're just trying to enjoy their time in-game), but have to hear about anyway, because it's all about 'NUMBERS!'.

The same debate happens in every MMO, and the same arguments for it come up, for and against. You could almost copy and paste any thread from any MMO, replace the name of the MMO with "FFXIV", and you'd have a near duplicate.

What it seems to boil down to, to me, is that some people are just seriously obsessed - as in literally obsessed - with numbers. And it's nothing new.

Clearly, Yoshi-P is aware of the crap attitudes parser data encourages in a MMO community, and he does not want to see nor enable it in XIV. He's a MMO vet, himself, and has certainly seen a fair share of such behavior in his day. Yes, they are going to allow people to create their own parsers once player addons become possible - but I wouldn't be at all surprised to find access to certain data to be very limited, or rules enforced to punish those who use such data to abuse/harass other players.

As I've said before... No one *needs* an official parser. Certain people - those obsessed with NUMBERS! - just really really want one.

And I do believe this post deserves mentioning again given it's gotten buried in this thread.

QFT

[Ghishlain]

And I do believe this post deserves mentioning again given it's gotten buried in this thread.

QFT

You do realize that by quoting this post, and based on your comments on this thread, you've basically proven that you are as militantly opposed to parsing and there is not a single reason to try to have a reasonable debate with you ever again?

It's fairly clear that no one will ever be able to sway your opinion and you'll just continue to attack without reason.

[Irving]

And I do believe this post deserves mentioning again given it's gotten buried in this thread.

QFT

Seeing if you have the gear and rotation to down a dummy in a set amount of time with no mechanics?
Yeah thats a good use to see if you have the baseline to ENTER content.

Seeing if you can apply your rotation and knowledge of mechanics in a cohesive manner so that you can clear said content without hitting your personal or others dps too much?
This is where you MIGHT want a parser to help you, or friends out.

[Seraphix2407]

And I do believe this post deserves mentioning again given it's gotten buried in this thread.QFT

I have replied to that I believe. Or atleast to that person. But saying every content has been beaten without parser is a bit... weird to say no? Many groups beat it with parsers. Usually those who don't have one probably in the group or simply those who are way behind on content. Overgear, 1-2 patches later or simply have people have overgear and ''carry'' them.


The top groups or even midicore groups beat things for a reason, because they play well, they adjust and love to get better. When you play something isn't it a part of being better or you just want to sit on your ass expecting things to come to you without trying? Todays problem with society is everyone want's things for free and you have to socialy accept if some people wont adjust themselves in terms of attitude AND getting better in things they are doing. So you have to becareful telling people the truth or it hurts. Sad? But it's true. If I farm content, I expect everyone to do well. One person being 500-600 behind on dps and getting ''free'' kills isn't something I put on my wish list. There is a difference beating things within idk few weeks doing contents? Or primals within a few days,while people who are stupidly overgeared and still can't do it. I've seen enrages on seph and many are over 230 with 230 weapons. It's a bit silly. Much as I love to help people improve it's hard to help when they are all in denial.

Seeing if you have the gear and rotation to down a dummy in a set amount of time with no mechanics?
Yeah thats a good use to see if you have the baseline to ENTER content.

Seeing if you can apply your rotation and knowledge of mechanics in a cohesive manner so that you can clear said content without hitting your personal or others dps too much?
This is where you MIGHT want a parser to help you, or friends out.

Many don't get that. If you do for example 1750 on a seph dummy for example, and if you drop down to 1k in the actual fight, then it's no exuse than getting better. Problem is many REFUSES to see the big picture. It's funny how true this one person said in this thread. Many anti parsers want's to help but how excactly will a person play better? Yeah they can improve but having a tool for that, what parser is doing would help them a lot more as a player!