Would you like an in-game parser?

[Seraphix2407]

Two things can go wrong. Either your rotation, or the mechanics. If it's the mechanics, it's pretty easy to see where you screwed. And if it's your rotation, you just need to train againt Stone, Sky and Sea until you clear it easy. And none of this requires actual numbers. And again, I trained without a parser and ended with actual good numbers when I've been parsed in content

What? I'm being serious here. It's like what you said, if its the mechanics, you see what you need to fix, if its your rotation you simply can't go back to the stone, sky, sea and clear it till its easy. Doesn't work like that. Just because you beat the dummy strike doesn't mean you are on pair with mechanics and dps wise. It's like putting a blm on a dummy for seph extreme and they clear it easy then put them in the fight where you have alot of movement going on; shakers, colours, spread out etc. You can't excactly expect your dps to be the same which is obvious but the fact you need to work around your dps rotation around the mechanics is something that you need to do. Yes I did train my DRG rotation without parser too but did I see how good I did in primals or savage? Nope, when I found out, holy crap I was shit. And I talk about really bad. You can't really compare SSS to a fight with real mechanics. If it was that simple you would see mnks would be top dps in any fights according to your logic.

Ok, then, tell me what you would do for such a DPS if you end with it in your party ? Will you look at its rotation during the fight, and tell him how and when he can improve ? Would you kick him, even with proper explanation, because he can't meet your requirement ?

I know this wasn't for me, but I'll reply to you on this matter on my behalf. If I see some one using my class I would ask them when they do their rotation and when they use cds, do they hold them or use them right as they come off, because not always its a good time to use them. Example seph ex, b4b pops right as the hand fist pops and you wouldn't pop b4b as hes about to stomp you away, because you wouldn't get max benefit of b4b. I would ask what his rotations and see what is wrong, then ask when he does debuff and actually put dot up on full time. There is a lot of thing that comes to his class but what most can't handle is doing mechanics while doing skills which makes you lose uptime on the boss: You dont dot the boss for example before you can't hit it, like in seph ex you want to have both dots up before he smashes you away. You want to do piercing debuf before he does it as well so when you come back from the hand smash you have debuff and it increases your dmg when you get back to it and also the dots are still on. There are small things that matters in this fight. Line up your skills with the mechanics so you don't pop them wrong them etc. I would tell them in details and when and how. NOW, if this guy was playing on a class I have no clue about, I would send them to my friends who can and this has happened quite few times and goddamn, as mentioned. This guy increased his dps on a dummy from 900 to 1.4k. Then on primals it went from sorry 900 to 1.3k. Why? because he listened and took advice and tried to do the rotation and danced with the mechanics while doing good dps. A dummy is a dummy, most people can pull it off. Even if I did midas 4 savage as 220 drg with 220 spear, doesn't mean I could pull enough dmg on the actual fight. Mechanics, rng, if you get a certain mechanic and you can't hit it, example when you have to go away from the group when he jumps on someone, you have to move away. There is a lot of factors that comes to place. Now if he took my advice and improved and I clearly see its a improvement, good good, he stays and he gets better. But when you don't get better after 5-10 rounds and still do the same amount as before, you clearly didn't take the lesson proppely or even serious. Doing a fight as a dps and have high dps isnt all about clicking 1 2 3, it's matter when and how and why.

[Reynhart]

What? I'm being serious here. It's like what you said, if its the mechanics, you see what you need to fix, if its your rotation you simply can't go back to the stone, sky, sea and clear it till its easy.

It depends. If your rotation has a clear flaw, yes, you can. If it's your rotation, in a real situation like Ghislain described, then I'd ask the same question for you.
What would you do for such a DPS ?

As for your example for Sephi EX, I don't think it would really work either. SSS numbers are actually higher then real fights, since you don't have to deal with mechanics. But meeting those numbers are also not a joke. So, I'm pretty sure that a DPS who can beat SSS for Sephi EX, and that doesn't screw during mechanis will have no issue meeting the DPS requirement.

Yes I did train my DRG rotation without parser too but did I see how good I did in primals or savage? Nope, when I found out, holy crap I was shit. And I talk about really bad.

Believe me, the first time I did SSS as a DRG for A1S, I realized how flawed my rotation was. Then I looked at Dervy's guide, completely changed my cross-hotbars and practice the rotation time and time over. And when I get back to SSS, the difference was HUGE.
With no parser.

[Seraphix2407]

Dervy's guide

Oh yeah dervy, the drg that was in my final coil static and fc. This guy, since you mentioned him, he even explains how a drg will work in fights. But yes if its a clear flaw then yeah it can be fixed on a dummy like rotation vise, that I agree. I'm aware the numbers are higher on a dummy than actual fight, but that doesn't leave people doing 400 less than people with les gear. Mind this, I've seen 230 smns do less than mine 220 but I still won't tell them because if I do, I insult them apperently. But if I know the person in and out I will tell them and will teach them, that's how I do it. And I appreciate a person takes times to listen and improve than one not bothering at all, but I'm sure you and I agree on this one

Edit: I actually posted a reply to you on the question you asked the other person btw.

I also want to add, many people think they are doing good on a actual fight , simply because they beat SSS, until they see the # they start to wonder what went wrong. I'm not saying all but most have and I'm not gonna lie, so far I've met a lot of people who gotten a lot better and I love it.

[Reynhart]

And I appreciate a person takes times to listen and improve than one not bothering at all, but I'm sure you and I agree on this one

If parsers become official, then I'd fear we'll see less and less people taking time to look upon others and teach them. They'll just say "Go parse yourself !"

And, like I said earlier, the more people will focus on crunching numbers, the more we'll see content requiring to crunch numbers.

This is probably also why we won't see special effects on gear. If it allows for even 1% more DPS, then it will become a requirement for any content. And if it makes you lose this 1%, then people will neglect it.

[Seraphix2407]

If parsers become official, then I'd fear we'll see less and less people taking time to look upon others and teach them. They'll just say "Go parse yourself !"

And, like I said earlier, the more people will focus on crunching numbers, the more we'll see content requiring to crunch numbers.

This is probably also why we won't see special effects on gear. If it allows for even 1% more DPS, then it will become a requirement for any content. And if it makes you lose this 1%, then people will neglect it.

Nope, I honestly think it will have the opposite effect you mention. They will most likely ask for advice and people help. I know some won't but the bigges main problem is many refuses to get better and I honestly think once they see how bad or good they are, they are willing to get better and I'm pretty sure they will enjoy it and have more fun doing so .
Many refuses and play however they want and that's why many ''parser people'' gets really frustrated. I'm not saying all are the same but this is simply my own experience when I was on the ps4 for 2 years.

[Reynhart]

Nope, I honestly think it will have the opposite effect you mention.

Look at savage ? It's far more demanding than coil, and it's pretty safe to assume that those who cleared savage have improved since they cleared coil. But what happends to those who couldn't clear Gordias because of the requirement and the constant pressure of the numbers ? They just quit. The raid population has greatly decreased because of savage.

And now, you see people asking for perfect DPS even when the content clearly doesn't require it. On my static, our raid leader stopped every Thordan try because we couldn't get to 70% before the second phase...

If more people focus on crunching numbers, then the population of good DPS players will increase.

No, it won't. Good DPS will still be good, even with the higher requirement. Those who can't match those requirement will just stop trying.

[Seraphix2407]

Look at how midas is then, gordias was just stupid and boring but I did clear 1-4 alex savage. But still I did hate it coz the fights were boring as hell. They made a lot better job on midas.

[Rawrz]

No, it won't. Good DPS will still be good, even with the higher requirement. Those who can't match those requirement will just stop trying.

Are you speaking for yourself or are you representing a group you don't particularly belong (to)?

These predictions, are again, baseless. My prediction would be, people will get marginally better in their mains, and noticeably better on alts. More people will be able to see how rotation changes affect them. Instant gratification on improvement.

[Rawrz]

If parsers become official, then I'd fear we'll see less and less people taking time to look upon others and teach them. They'll just say "Go parse yourself !"

And, like I said earlier, the more people will focus on crunching numbers, the more we'll see content requiring to crunch numbers.

This is probably also why we won't see special effects on gear. If it allows for even 1% more DPS, then it will become a requirement for any content. And if it makes you lose this 1%, then people will neglect it.

I think you mean efficiency? That already happens, just using stat weights. Also people chose Wars and Drks over Pallys because the extra Tank DPS allowed them to cushion the raid DPS to beat the raid as early as possible.

If more people focus on crunching numbers, then the population of good DPS players will increase. You know what just wrecks my DPS? A good mechanic. I try to beat that mechanic DPS everytime I go in. A5s with monkey is an example for me. I wanna beat myself each time I go in, each week. Do the mechanic more efficiently. Ergo.. Get better.

Numbers are a game, within this game. Getting a Higher score is a drive for myself and many others. I don't care if your DPS is low. Hop on my back and I'll carry you as far as my legs can hold or run with me and we'll have the fastest time, either of us has ever had.