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    Ghishlain Pyrial
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Interesting question. No, I'm not sure of it, but it's actually another problem. Let's say that a DPS check requires 4000 overall DPS. Let's say one DPS does 1000 and manage to do all mechanics. Let's say another DPS does 1500 but screw severals times on that phase. According to you, which one will be kicked ? The one who do enough and not screwing mechanics or the one wo do more than enough but fail the rest.
    In the scenario you posed, neither of the two candidates would be immediately up for "kicking" and this train of thought feels more of a loaded question than naught. With that being said, the 1K DPS would be at no risk because he's meeting the requirements necessary to complete the fight and consistently doing the mechanics. However, the higher DPS is at risk because if s/he proves that they are incapable of consistently completing the desired mechanics and would be holding the group back overall through progression if they show they cannot learn how to do the fight properly.

    The performance of a DPS (or any role for that matter) is the sum of their ability to perform their role and deal with the fight mechanics. While that ability to perform one's role is transparent in the case of tanks and healers, in the case of DPS that transparency doesn't exist due to a lack of parser DPS measuring tool (really should be called this more than naught since there are some pretty key differences between the two).
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    Last edited by Ghishlain; 05-16-2016 at 02:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
    The performance of a DPS (or any role for that matter) is the sum of their ability to perform their role and deal with the fight mechanics. While that ability to perform one's role is transparent in the case of tanks and healers, in the case of DPS that transparency doesn't exist due to a lack of parser.
    When they tried to make is less transparent and put the onus more on the DPS it failed miserably due to the large majority of dps who dont know how to optimize anything due to the lack of a parser. It's also funny to me the people who emphasize mechanics when it comes to the lack of DPS, if they knew anything they would know in order to get higher DPS in this game you have to perform the mechanics perfectly.
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    Arawn Wymer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asmodai View Post
    When they tried to make is less transparent and put the onus more on the DPS it failed miserably due to the large majority of dps who dont know how to optimize anything due to the lack of a parser. It's also funny to me the people who emphasize mechanics when it comes to the lack of DPS, if they knew anything they would know in order to get higher DPS in this game you have to perform the mechanics perfectly.
    Problem I also noticed, compare to old alex and new, the old one didn't have as much mechanics vs the new ones. And many people struggle to follow mechanics while maintain their dps. How can they improve and know they doing well or not? Doing sky sea stone? Hell no. If the fight had no mechanics you be safe, but since it does.. good luck finding out. :P

    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    No, he did enough. But, yes, maybe he didn't do his best. The problem is that, for most content, enough is enough. And since goals are actually based on best players, everyone wants the absolute best, even when it's way over enough.
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    And you just prove its social accepted to have 1 guy 500 dps behind the other. Of course, you are right, when you down it as a group and it's fine it still shouldn't be accepted hes way lower than he should be. If it was 100-150 ish behind then he could def improve since theres mostlikely something he/she missed out doing or wrong times of cooldowns, b4b, IR etc. However why would people and I KNOW for certain if many if they had access to parsers they would look at this guy and say, hey hes far behind on his dps. I know this is what anti parser people talk about, but keep in mind, why should 3 dps do 100% of their job while one does only 50%. This is group not some one gets carried. If you want to be carried buy a run from some one, because you are leeching of people and you honestly think it's fine to leech? I don't.

    Another example let's say we talk about the same people but we are in raid 1 out of 4, so on raid 2 their dps requirement is higher, you know very well that person has to pull his weight even higher to manage to beat the content. And that's where the problems also comes in,just because you can do 1 requirement of the dps check in the lower tier floor, doesn't mean you can handle the next, let's say being higher in mechanics and dps wise.

    But yes I agree as long it can be done why not, but keep in mind the higher tier fights, lets say next floor in raids the dps has to be higher obviously. If it can be done with lower dps why not? It works as you say, however when you raid you have to expect higher ceiling in fight. And if dps doesn't improve, well yeah K.O
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    Last edited by Seraphix2407; 05-16-2016 at 02:53 AM.

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    Reynhart Kristensen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphix2407 View Post
    And you just prove its social accepted to have 1 guy 500 dps behind the other.
    Or you could have waited till I finished editing my post to answer this exact question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Or you could have waited till I finished editing my post to answer this exact question.
    And having less reason to get better or a tool, fight or even a gate for other content like Titan was to coil, will have people remain the same. Those I've mentioned plenty of time in this thread. However many players still don't know why they are booted or whatnot, so a tool would help them to see why and who knows then they will stop say people harass them if they dps is low and they can actually see for themselves. I also edited my post and sorry didn't see your edit so here is your reply.
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