Would you like an in-game parser?

[Anyan]

My reason for not wanting a parser is probably a bit selfish but I'll share it anyway. I don't want it for the simple fact that it'll cause me to get tunnel vision. Even if I could turn it off I'd have that nagging feeling it was there, and I wouldn't be able to resist. It would lower my enjoyment of the game. I was so relieved when I saw that there wasn't a parser in this game.

I try to do my very best in every content I do. I look up tutorials and read guides. That is my choice though and I don't want to push others to do the same. Even if it does frustrate me sometimes when I see that someone is slacking, which is entirely possible (and quite easily too) to do without numbers. I'm much happier when I work to better myself instead of trying to change others for my sake. Take some deep breaths, chillax, and remind myself that it's just a game.


This game overall has a lovely community. When I see how rude people are to each other (on both sides) when discussing this topic on the forums, I worry about what it'd be like in game. I imagine it might even get worse.

I have no problem with SE adding it to savage content though since people say it's impossible to clear without it. I haven't tried savage, only ex primals, so I'll take their word for it.

[Ragnorak]

I would love a group parser. People throw the abuse card but I just find it silly in my opinion. If someone by any chance says your not doing enough damage instead of having a fit and complaining about abuse why not just get better? It's really not hard to be good at a job there are plenty of guides on this forum detailing what you should do but people act like it's so much effort to just read. If you get better you won't get abused by toxic people logic I know its hard to understand. I guess this is the result of SE creating so much faceroll content outside of savage that people don't need to get better and when something finally comes which tests people skill just a bit people can't do it some reason.

This ^ like the way some of these people sensitivities work. If you even mention their dps you're being mean and toxic no matter how you say it. People would rather just ask for nerfs then spend an hour smacking a dummy learning their rotation.

[Kallera]

I don't think anyone is saying that.
What we are saying is, if someone is going to "abuse you" over it, actually take the feedback, don't just put up a wall and not improve yourself because someone was a mean jerkface to you one afternoon.

You know there is a problem that "GitGud" doesn't address: Why should we do that for the sake of anonymous asses and bullies? Are they what high level play looks like?

(No of course not...but if the bullies are the teachers, you might get bullies for graduates, or people that just don't care.)

[Ragnorak]

If we did things simply to avoid bullies no one would leave the house. If you feel cyber bullied close your eyes turn off the screen Walk away as someone once said

[KarstenS]

Seems to me the playerbase has done just fine without a Parser all this time.

People are using parsers. This thread is about an official in game parser. You will find not a single raid group that beat any current tier savage content without knowing their performance.

[Preypacer]

Stopped reading after this. One requirement of a raid group is someone who parses, when you put that static together. Someone is parsing. Give me a world first or a world tenth that didn't use one. Hint: you won't find one.

So, your argument is... "parsers are necessary because people use them"?

You seem to have missed the point of my post (or that part of it at least). Whether or not they're used isn't the question. Obviously they are.

The question is "Do players in this game, FFXIV, need the parsers to clear content? Are parsers necessary?"

And the answer to that question - definitively and verifiably - is no, they aren't. Players have been clearing the content just fine without them for almost 3 years now - and doing so pretty darn quickly in many cases.

Some people are just obsessed with reducing everything down to numbers - "min/max" this, "optimal" that - and mistake something they want as something the game needs.

Another question is, would parsers give ammunition to those already prone to being asshats, to become even more so? Historically, in every other MMO they've been in, yes, it will. Those people already exist in this game. They even post in these forums - at least a few in this very thread.

A very real concern with many, is that those people would not keep such "standards of performance" to themselves. They would impose them on everyone else. And not just in end-game raid content. No no, in DF as well. How do I know? Because they've already been doing it - insisting that if you're in "their party", haven't studied videos on the content, and are unable to perform up to their standards, that you're wasting "their" time, and holding "them" back. Some have requested ways to lock out people they deem "unworthy" of being in "their groups" - yes, even in DF. Just spend an hour or three going back over the numerous threads and discussions archived on these forums for the last 2+ years. You'll see plenty of such attitudes on display.

What do you think those people would do if actual numbers became available to them? Do you think they'd suddenly become conciliatory and helpful? Do you think they'd wield that information respectfully and reasonably? Hell freaking no they wouldn't. They'd become even worse. Again, history - across myriad other MMOs - has proven this out, and the "seeds" are already planted in this game's community.

Give those people access to that data, and they would immediately weaponize it against other players, berating, insulting, humiliating, purely to groom their own sense of superiority, and boost their own ego. Yoshi-P is clearly aware of this kind of behavior in other MMOs, and realizes bringing that capability to FFXIV in an official manner would inevitably produce the same results. He doesn't want that crap infecting XIV's community any more than it already has. This is why he is against implementing parsers officially, and made the compromise of the SSS - which, yes, does provide sufficient feedback of whether a player's prepared to take on given content, in a purely binary, pass-or-fail kind of way.

And if you don't like the way I've depicted a portion of this game's community, hey... don't get angry at me. I don't make people behave the way they do. Ask them why they behave that way in the first place.

[Seraphix2407]

Give those people access to that data, and they would immediately weaponize it against other players, berating, insulting, humiliating, purely to groom their own sense of superiority, and boost their own ego. Yoshi-P is clearly aware of this kind of behavior in other MMOs, and realizes bringing that capability to FFXIV in an official manner would inevitably produce the same results. He doesn't want that crap infecting XIV's community any more than it already has. This is why he is against implementing parsers officially, and made the compromise of the SSS - which, yes, does provide sufficient feedback of whether a player's prepared to take on given content, in a purely binary, pass-or-fail kind of way

Then you have those who won't take advice, listen to people when mechanic comes, those who tells people to get a life just because they wanna help, say it's just a game, it's my game my sub.
Ever heard of respect?
You know what respect is right? It goes both ways. If YOU as DPS is nerfing down a whole group, simply because you can't forfill your job, that one is on YOU!
No really it's on you. Don't expect people to play bit better, just so you can get your clear, it doesn't work like that. This post make it sound like healers and tank can play their roles half ass and you will be fine with it, which I highly doubt you would. I won't lie but this post made me really annoyed, because you make it sound like we should ignore problems instead of fixing it. There will be assholes with or without official parser. Just a reminder, there are people who have parser you and I'm well aware some didn't even say they did and some might have.

Read this line again and I would like you to respond to my old post to you as well.
Respect goes both ways, don't think you are the one to get only respect because you simply won't do your job. This is my respons to ''why'' an official parser might not be released as you stated, people will become more a-holes. But nah, seriously I find more players who refuses to listen more toxic than a player who calls out people numbers.

No. Just no. This isn't just about numbers. You put a guy in a fight where BLM's for example or BRD/MCH has to move alot, they wouldn't need to move for jack shit on SSS. Put them in a fight like sephirot, thordan, midas savage etc, you will see it will ring another tone.
Example, a mnk can do insane dps on a stupid dummy, once they in a fight it will be different, with mechanics. Numbers only? What about your dps is low as 900 in a fight, then you suddenly want to use a parser or anyone else, they see it and they will probably think: Damn, this dps is low. How do I improve it? Well first, did he beat the dummy? Yes, did he do the mechanics on it? No. So this is where the parser is going to be the real deal, you look at it, find out what you doing wrong, fix it and voila you have increased the dps. There are fights you wanna hold your cds or even use them right away. It's all different from fight to fight. So numbers only? Nope..

Edit. Before anyone else pulls of this is just a game card. Yes, I know it's just a game. However I'm paying for it, so to show off respect to players, forfill your role as a person, give, show respect, and you will get it back. The only way to do so, is actually improve yourself as a person both how you play and how you are. This goes off to anyone, a-holes or simply those who refuse to get better. Too many times many wont take advice and that's a whole reason why I stopped helping strangers, unless I know they are more than wiling to.

[/I]And the answer to that question - definitively and verifiably - is no, they aren't. Players have been clearing the content just fine without them for almost 3 years now - and doing so pretty darn quickly in many cases.

Yes and no. There are endless of ways how that could been done. Echo, nerfs and simply 7 people pulling enough weight for 1 person to do less and be acceptable. Sorry that's what most of us trying to avoid, that 1 dps is slacking so it's just ''fine'' to ignore it.
Many times I've had people from different servers making alt on my server to respond to a video I uploaded 3 weeks ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5NupyOO0eU 7PLDS and 1 SCH beating seph extreme. Now why did they do that? Because their group had no deaths but got enrage on sephe xtreme with a normal party. What's your defence on that?

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

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This is way better put than my apparently "rude" posts earlier. Thanks for this, it's exactly how I feel and you expressed far better than I did.

[Xlantaa]

- Things that are true -

The best post I've read about this. Exactly what I'm thinking but I couldn't never explain myself.

[Seraphix2407]

Btw forgot to add something to my reply to Preypacer.
You mention people being left out. Do you know excactly why? Because they are underperformance in the actuall content. Simple. If you see a healer who won't heal, hes not doing his job, easy to bash and complain about. A DPS doing horrible numbers, the run is slower, in case a primal fight or raid, enrage. How on earth can you simply avoid that issue. TBH. To make me think about it, it's better to leave a official parser out of the game, because like you said, there is no need right? So those who gets kicked, doesn't get included in groups don't know why, simply because even if the person is the most sweetest and kindest person, and tries to help, even being honest about the DPS numbers, there is a slight chance of not being included. Let's keep it that way, so people still wonder why they get left out or never get invited.

Let's keep it the way where many refused to take help and ignore the problem.
I'm fully aware with a official parser there might be more a-holes added to the group who already are, however, in my own PERSONAL experience, I've met way too many people who gives a shit and because of those and simply because of a such arrogant post you posted, I will keep leave those people out and wont bother help them out, because I might hurt their feelings saying they are behind on dps or failing mechanics while doing them. Thanks.