Would you like an in-game parser?

[ToasterMan]

On a more serious note, I don't really care if one got added or not. Everyone that wants a parser is already using one besides the PS4 players.

Now if this parser were to get released, there are some people who would get harassed, no doubt. Many of the raiders I've met can get really nasty. BUT the parser could help people improve themselves. It's a double edge sword.

[Deathgiver]

I don't get why dps should get a free pass for sub-par performance. We already have easy to judge metrics for tanks and healers; If a tank isn't holding hate and a boss cleaves and wipes the party, that tank is going to get kicked, sometimes first time sometimes after they've done it repeatedly. If a healer isn't keeping the party up or is dropping the tank on a regular basis that healer's going to get kicked. Imagine a ravanna farm party where the either the helaers lack of heals or the tanks lack of aggro caused wipes.... The party responsible would definitely be booted or people would leave, and it's totally understandable. A mnk pulling 400 dps though? Totally acceptable because dps isn't something we're allowed to judge. It all comes down to the same thing, if you're going into something in a particular role, you have to fulfill that role.

[Kazumac]

Full parser end of story. I want to help the player base become better players not hinder them with half baked solutions likely to cause MORE drama and issues between players.

[Khemorex]

btw its just a game :P

[Ghishlain]

Here is a concern with a private parser, it needs to be in a way that players cannot force it into being a public parser, wouldn't it? its kinda why SSS ended up the ways it is(as questionable as it is for prepping someone)

If I were to do a personal parser, I'd make it so there is no optional way to suddenly make it a group parser. But I don't think that's quite what you're asking for based on the next few posts so I'll try to expand on this differently.

If S-E were to implement an official parser, it would be nice if they also release a minimal expected DPS per dungeon to go along with that. That means up and coming new players can see what the minimal bar is set to and try to match that. This isn't to different then the intent SSS tries to set but it's a bit more global (ie stamped right onto the Duty Finder in big bold red letters). This bar will obviously be set much lower than what EX Primals and Savage Raids require.

The reason I suggest a minimal requirement as a shield mechanism against abuse. People will perform at various levels depending on their skill, gear, and let's say "distractions". Some of the more elitest / toxic players will believe if X player isn't reaching their particular standards, it'll be deserving of a kick. With S-E taking said standards into their own hands, it would keep the "entitlement factor" of the more elitest / toxic players in check and still give grounds to plausibly kick an "under performing player" without repercussion.

And while I am not against a personal parser, I do feel a group parser is the better way to go. A group parser allows a level of transparency that you wouldn't get in a personal parser. I've used this as an example in the past - a friend of mine was doing EXDR on BRD in the late AAR-patch era and got paired up with another BRD. During the dungeon the group wiped to a mechanic and this other BRD began to badger my friend about their rotation and DPS. Then the tank piped in and told the other BRD to "Hey, you know that BRD you're badgering is doubling your DPS, right?". The comment silenced the other BRD quite quickly. If a group parser was available that entire conversation would've been avoided and everyone would've gone on their merry way. In the same token, a group parser would easily allow everyone to identify who is under performing and "deal with it" accordingly pending how that conversation goes (if said under performer is trolling to the max... well, you know how that's going to go). In contrast, a personal parser can lead to bad assumptions such as "Well, you're not telling us your number so you're automatically bad" which also isn't very constructive.

A group parser can also be a motivator for newer players. Say an i145 DRG gets matched up with an i200 DRG in Fractual and notice that the i200 DRGs DPS is WAAAY up there compared to their own. That could show the new DRG what their job is capable of and encourage them reach that point. Sure it could be argued that it can be discouraging initially but every player should be striving to become better and this just gives them a new goal to reach.

TDLR: Give a group parser w/ S-E providing the bar to minimal contribution would be how I would implement a parser in FFXIV to minimize harassment issues.

[magdahmhara]

209 votes out of millons of people really doesn't show anything. If you want to know how many people want/don't want a parser you would need a much, much larger sampling. This really proves nothing to the devs, lol.

[Canadane]

Are people afraid of being called out by annoying toxic jerks? This sounds like the only reason people wouldn't want to have their DPS made public.
But after being called out by one of those jerks, you could take the feedback positively regardless of the words that were said. Having yourself being brought into the spotlight for a moment to give you the realization that you are under-performing should be replied with "I need to find a way to get better!" not "I should ignore that jerk because he was being mean about it."

Yeah some people have no tact and cannot be polite regarding things. It happens. When you get down to the end result, you may not yet realize how much you have been under-performing. I have no idea about myself I don't parse. But I've been called out before and I've used it to improve. I won't dismiss advice helping me just because I was told I shouldn't be living or something to that effect.

If there's some other reason people don't want a public parse, I'm all ears.

[Seraphix2407]

btw its just a game :P

Ahh yeah, hes vise. I love alot of his quotes. Yes it is a game, but seriously, don't waste my time if you want help and don't care to improve in both dps and mechanics. If you wanna wipe for 10 hours on same thing after 1 min into a pull, that's your choice. My choice is to have fun, having fun is being avaible to beat my previous records, improving in both dps and mechanics, same time beating content. For ME this is fun, there is no fun when some people aren't willing to listen and drags a whole party down . Yes it is a game and it's meant to be fun and this is my way of fun.

Are people afraid of being called out by annoying toxic jerks? This sounds like the only reason people wouldn't want to have their DPS made public.
But after being called out by one of those jerks, you could take the feedback positively regardless of the words that were said. Having yourself being brought into the spotlight for a moment to give you the realization that you are under-performing should be replied with "I need to find a way to get better!" not "I should ignore that jerk because he was being mean about it."

Yeah some people have no tact and cannot be polite regarding things. It happens. When you get down to the end result, you may not yet realize how much you have been under-performing. I have no idea about myself I don't parse. But I've been called out before and I've used it to improve. I won't dismiss advice helping me just because I was told I shouldn't be living or something to that effect

Yeah same here. When people saw how bad I did, I simply ignore what they said and became better. If you are in a spotlight and people tell you how bad you are, both nice or assholes, you should still think about improving. It's like what you said, many ignore the fact and keep telling themselves ''this guy is just mean''. I have my own raid group and when I screw up I get told and I like it, because it means I need to improve. Many people take this the bad way, even if told nicely.

[Rawrz]

209 votes out of millons of people really doesn't show anything. If you want to know how many people want/don't want a parser you would need a much, much larger sampling. This really proves nothing to the devs, lol.

If the sample is strong enough, they could push an in game survey upon log in.

200+ people voting a single topic on the forum is allot of attention towards any subject.

[Preypacer]

Seems to me the playerbase has done just fine without a Parser all this time. After all, every new dungeon, quest, trial, etc introduced - whether normal, hard, or savage, has been cleared, has it not?

Seems to me people are doing just fine without parsers to tell them what they already know - that they're doing sufficient output, and dancing to the mechanics sufficiently to defeat the content. But that's not enough. There's gotta be NUMBERS!

The SSS is clearly demonstrating to them exactly what they already want to know: Are they geared and performing sufficiently to handle related content. If they clear the SSS, then the definitive answer to that is "Yes, you are capable of clearing that content. Your Damage output and/or rotation are sufficient. You would have failed otherwise". But that's not enough. There's gotta be NUMBERS!

And further still, it's not enough - for some - to only see their own numbers. They already know they're awesome. No no... they have to see others' numbers, too. They want ALL THE NUMBERS!! Why? So they can lord over those whose NUMBERS!! don't match their own, or meet their own personal "standard" of what others "are required to meet". So they can berate all those "n00bs" and "bads" and "filthy casuals" for daring to exist in their game.

And to those saying "no no.... that totes won't be abused in FFXIV. It's all for the good of the players!" - you're either very new to MMOs, or you're a liar. Straight up.

People being arrogant pricks, mocking, berating and kicking others over "poor dps numbers" has been happening for years now, across numerous MMOs. People have been obsessed with NUMBERS! for a long time, and it's been well discussed and debated. Among others, it's one of the main reasons why so many are against them. It turns your standard garden variety elitist prick into an elitist prick who feels justified in behaving that way, because they have "data" to fling around as ammunition... data which others in their group may not give a crap about (they're just trying to enjoy their time in-game), but have to hear about anyway, because it's all about 'NUMBERS!'.

The same debate happens in every MMO, and the same arguments for it come up, for and against. You could almost copy and paste any thread from any MMO, replace the name of the MMO with "FFXIV", and you'd have a near duplicate.

What it seems to boil down to, to me, is that some people are just seriously obsessed - as in literally obsessed - with numbers. And it's nothing new.

Clearly, Yoshi-P is aware of the crap attitudes parser data encourages in a MMO community, and he does not want to see nor enable it in XIV. He's a MMO vet, himself, and has certainly seen a fair share of such behavior in his day. Yes, they are going to allow people to create their own parsers once player addons become possible - but I wouldn't be at all surprised to find access to certain data to be very limited, or rules enforced to punish those who use such data to abuse/harass other players.

As I've said before... No one *needs* an official parser. Certain people - those obsessed with NUMBERS! - just really really want one.