Would you like an in-game parser?

[Deathgiver]

In my experience, it's almost never the feedback on performance that's the problem, but the way in which that feedback is given. There's a world of difference between: "/p omg Joe Averagenoob only did 900 DPS on that fight. What a losernoob. Vote kick and git gud." and "/tell Joe Averagenoob Hey, I noticed your DPS was a little low compared to what I've seen. Would you like some pointers to help you perform better, or a guide to help you better understand your job?"

More often, I've seen parsers lead to the former kind of behavior than the latter.

Really? In my time playing the game since 1.0 the most aggressive, toxic players are the ones not using a parser who think the group failures are someone else's fault. The example that sticks out in my mind most is a run with a brd and machinist in Fractal Continuum. The Mch and Brd were both doing less damage than the tank in the party, but the only person complaining about the dps was the Mch. He kept yelling at the Brd for being bad and letting his dots drop, all while the yelling mch kept dying every 30 seconds to avoidable aoes.

[myahele]

If anything, a chart displaying total damage/healing done similar to what's seen in PvP will be nice.

The system is already in place, all the need to do it put it in dungeons

[Ghishlain]

I actually find it pretty interesting how large the divide is between "Yes" (either option) and "No". Given the amount of animosity that crops up on either side when this discussion pops up, I was expecting a more even split between "No" and "Yes" but this certainly isn't the case.

I wonder if that'll change over time if we can keep this thread on the front page for a while /think

[Settiesama]

I actually find it pretty interesting how large the divide is between "Yes" (either option) and "No". Given the amount of animosity that crops up on either side when this discussion pops up, I was expecting a more even split between "No" and "Yes" but this certainly isn't the case.

I wonder if that'll change over time if we can keep this thread on the front page for a while /think

It makes it seem like people saying "no" are in such an outrage to state why it shouldn't happen, that they don't even read what was said

[Kaurie]

Personally, I think adding anything other than a full, comprehensive, group parser would be a waste of time. It's either a go big or go home sort of deal. If you don't have full access to all pertinent information, it is likely to create frustration in players and users - which increases the chance of hostility.

There are thousands upon thousands of possible outcomes for every scenario, so I won't pretend to create a 'likely' outcome given a scenario. Instead, I'll just leave my statement above as is.

[Reinha]

I actually find it pretty interesting how large the divide is between "Yes" (either option) and "No". Given the amount of animosity that crops up on either side when this discussion pops up, I was expecting a more even split between "No" and "Yes" but this certainly isn't the case.

I wonder if that'll change over time if we can keep this thread on the front page for a while /think

The animosity is mostly between those who oppose public display of dps numbers (whether it's through not having a parser or only having a personal parser), and those who want to see other people's numbers. If you look at the votes, very few oppose a tool to improve oneself but more than half oppose the information being on public display.

I wouldn't say the votes 'oppose' anything, they 'support' something. One can support a personal parser, while not being opposed to a group one. Similarly, one can support a group parser but not be opposed to a personal one. Personally, I am opposed to a personal parser and would rather have a group one, or no parser.

You can vote more than one option. The ones you don't vote for, you oppose. The ones you do vote for, you support. I predict the personal parser option will end up getting most votes because it's a good compromise.

[Kaurie]

The animosity is mostly between those who oppose public display of dps numbers (whether it's through not having a parser or only having a personal parser), and those who want to see other people's numbers. If you look at the votes, very few oppose a tool to improve oneself but more than half oppose the information being on public display.

I wouldn't say the votes 'oppose' anything, they 'support' something. One can support a personal parser, while not being opposed to a group one. Similarly, one can support a group parser but not be opposed to a personal one. Personally, I am opposed to a personal parser and would rather have a group one, or no parser.

You can vote more than one option. The ones you don't vote for, you oppose. The ones you do vote for, you support. I predict the personal parser option will end up getting most votes because it's a good compromise.

While you can vote more than one option, I would not say that not supporting something = opposing it.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

No I would prefer not to have a parser. I enjoy this game all the more precisely BECAUSE it has less "metermaids" waving their epeens all over the screen than other games.

[Kaurie]

No I would prefer not to have a parser. I enjoy this game all the more precisely BECAUSE it has less "metermaids" waving their epeens all over the screen than other games.

I find it interesting that you are alluding to preferring the better community here, but then use terms like 'metermaids' and 'epeens'.

[KrenianKandos]

You need a post for: honestly could care less.

I really don't care. A parser is good for people who want to maximize their potential but not having one hasn't stopped guilds from clearing 95% of the content in game.

So really, I'm not in any camp. To me, I know I'm doing well. The comms given to me after a run as a dps are a pretty good indicator mostly.

My two cents.