Would you like an in-game parser?

[VelKallor]

People: we want a tool to help us improve in the game we enjoy playing.

...that has been proven over time immemorial to be ripe for misuse and abuse

VelKanor: brings up irrelevant irl experiences and feelings that have nothing to do with the topic.

Read it again.

Also, what new have you learnt today?

I learned about the history of Ghana, did some reading of Aristophanes and learned two new rice recipes. You?

Also, please show examples of people harassing others over damage in savage/ex content. Oh wait, you don't do that content.

I dont need to illustrate behaviour that has been commonly observed over different games for the last what...ten years? If it can be abused and misused..it will be.

The reasons for no dps meters have been stated repeatedly. if you choose not to accept that, then thats your issue.

I have the feeling VelKallor would also be one of the fanatics that defended the lack of jumping in 1.0. Everything thats not already in the game is bad and not needed cause they think the developers are gods.

Didnt play 1.0.

[Miracle_Diva]

...that has been proven over time immemorial to be ripe for misuse and abuse




I dont need to illustrate behaviour that has been commonly observed over different games for the last what...ten years? If it can be abused and misused..it will be.

If you can't support your claim with an evidence, don't make that claim. Because so far, you're all talk and nothing more.
The problem with anti parcer people that you hide behind the ToS when it comes to third party tools, but completely ignore it when it comes to harassment.
Convenient isn't it?

[Sebazy]

...that has been proven over time immemorial to be ripe for misuse and abuse

There's far more evidence to show that SE's existing ToS makes griefing people over their DPS just about the second fastest way to get banned, only coming in behind hurling slurs in /shout.

However, a full bore ACT clone in game isn't the answer anyway as I genuinely don't think it would gain much traction outside of the console crowd.

Personally I'd much rather see a simple system that notes your average potency per second across the instance, compares it to a historic trend of others running the same instance on the same job and then generates an S to F style ranked score from that. Nothing specific, nothing numeric and shown to that player only.

It achieves a few key things without room for negativity or fear mongering, the key being that it dangles a carrot nudging people to try a bit harder, play a little better, something the game currently fails to do. It's ignorable and the point isn't to gate anything behind it. Plenty of people see a score and get the instinct to try and improve it and this is aimed squarely at them, plenty of people likely don't even realise they are playing awfully because the game won't tell them and other players aren't allowed to, again, this is aimed at improving that situation.

More people trying that little bit harder or even just realising that they could potentially be playing better would make the overall DF experience a better one IMO.

[VelKallor]

If you can't support your claim with an evidence, don't make that claim. Because so far, you're all talk and nothing more.

Your naivete is..amusing. In a sad kind of way . The fact that FF 14, Lost Ark, Tera Online , GW2 AND New World have ALL banned the use of dps meters should tell you something on its own. ESO in fact disabled their ingame dps meter some time ago.

They had one, it was abused and misused so it was REMOVED. Their API was also changed to make them unusable.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.co...-dps-hps-meter

There used to be an addon that did this. It was stopped because it caused misuse and harassment. Was a long time ago.

Do we see a PATTERN here?

The problem with anti parcer people that you hide behind the ToS when it comes to third party tools, but completely ignore it when it comes to harassment.
Convenient isn't it?

I dont use any third party tools of any kind.

[Saraide]

Your naivete is..amusing. In a sad kind of way . The fact that FF 14, Lost Ark, Tera Online , GW2, AND New World have ALL banned the use of dps meters should tell you something on its own. ESO in fact disabled their ingame dps meter some time ago. They had one, it was abused and misused so it was REMOVED.

Their API was also changed to make them unusable.

Do we see a PATTERN here?



Dont use any third party tools of any kind.

Chronically incapable of adressing the arguement that harassment over bad dps is against ToS and therefore wouldnt fly even with an ingame dps meter. Even when quoting that direct point. Incredible.

[VelKallor]

Chronically incapable of adressing the arguement that harassment over bad dps is against ToS and therefore wouldnt fly even with an ingame dps meter. Even when quoting that direct point. Incredible.

Dont be disingenuous, it doesnt suit you. DPS meters are an enabler of toxic, abusive behaviour. The fact that ESO had one and then REMOVED it says volumes.

So, tell me, why do YOU think it was that all these other MMOs have that one factor in common, hm?

Enlighten me why it is that all these other MMOS have THE SAME policy on dps meters.

Whatever could that reason be.....

[Miracle_Diva]

Your naivete is..amusing. In a sad kind of way . The fact that FF 14, Lost Ark, Tera Online , GW2 AND New World have ALL banned the use of dps meters should tell you something on its own. ESO in fact disabled their ingame dps meter some time ago.

They had one, it was abused and misused so it was REMOVED. Their API was also changed to make them unusable.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.co...-dps-hps-meter



Do we see a PATTERN here?



I dont use any third party tools of any kind.

You linked a thread from 2020 where some random player said something and it's not even official post. In a thread where someone else asks about how to set up parcer lmao.
You are right, I do see a pattern here. But it's not about parcer nor harassment.
I guess it's the best you can do.

[Saraide]

Dont be disingenuous, it doesnt suit you. DPS meters are an enabler of toxic, abusive behaviour. The fact that ESO had one and then REMOVED it says volumes.

So, tell me, why do YOU think it was that all these other MMOs have that one factor in common, hm?

Enlighten me why it is that all these other MMOS have THE SAME policy on dps meters.

Whatever could that reason be.....

Toxicity festers when there is a lack of moderation. Toxic people will be toxic, regardless of which tool they use. It's GMs that keep them in check. The credible threat of punishment, which ff14 has, is what is holding toxicity at bay. Not the "lack" of dps meter.
According to your logic it would be entirely okay to harass someone over dying multiple times in a raid. Afterall that information is displayed for everyone to see.

[DPZ2]

Chronically incapable of adressing the arguement that harassment over bad dps is against ToS and therefore wouldnt fly even with an ingame dps meter. Even when quoting that direct point. Incredible.

Chronically incapable of addressing the argument that harassment over bad dps is exacerbated by official recognition of a tool that has been misused for the purpose of harassment over and over again in other games. Incredible.

[Saraide]

Chronically incapable of addressing the argument that harassment over bad dps is exacerbated by official recognition of a tool that has been misused for the purpose of harassment over and over again in other games. Incredible.

I literally adressed that in the post above.