Would you like an in-game parser?

[Themarvin]

This thread is not to debate the worth of parsers. It's a simple poll to like posts. It may be bumped, but DO NOT discuss the pros or cons of parsers. There are a substantial amount of parser threads.

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The reason why it is not in there, is because the tool would make you permit doing DPS shaming in all shapes and forms, as now built in by SE... and they can't have that.

Best option, git gud with your job... and that IS NOT a harrashment to say that, you need to do your job well in the lets us say a tad more difficult content such as savage/ultimates/pvp/ex trials/unreal.

And that require an effort put into it.

[Bibine_Bine]

I'd say yes, but with the caveat that it's for yourself only.

[hydralus]

Yes, for the lulz.

[Shurrikhan]

The reason why it is not in there, is because the tool would make you permit doing DPS shaming in all shapes and forms, as now built in by SE... and they can't have that.

Best option, git gud with your job... and that IS NOT a harrashment to say that, you need to do your job well in the lets us say a tad more difficult content such as savage/ultimates/pvp/ex trials/unreal.

And that require an effort put into it.

--> 'No, we should deny people learning tools, because they might then do with it X bad thing they can already do just as well and which is already identically punishable and routinely punished.'

--> 'Instead, just git gud without the learning tool.'

???

While, yes, people can just memorize Balance openers and the like without testing a damn thing for themselves (as done via parsing oneself), that's hardly what builds an intuition for handling any sort of nuance, which should be something we want players to become capable of, no?

[Axxion]

a 2017 necro smh

[SeiyaSoiya]

In current day ACT is an extremely disruptive and intrusive program
it does not merely read combat log, it hooks to memory and sniffs network packets
which is the reason it requires admin privileges and breaks on every minor patch, even though the combat log is functional
it also makes up numbers it cannot read such as DoT tick damage

[Ssmiley_Bjakkzz]

Nah cmon man absolutely not, this is a game to having fun and to play in good care, please take your sport elsewhere.
I can say we folks already into some competition against each others more and less, dont over burst this.

[Themarvin]

--> 'No, we should deny people learning tools, because they might then do with it X bad thing they can already do just as well and which is already identically punishable and routinely punished.'

--> 'Instead, just git gud without the learning tool.'

???

While, yes, people can just memorize Balance openers and the like without testing a damn thing for themselves (as done via parsing oneself), that's hardly what builds an intuition for handling any sort of nuance, which should be something we want players to become capable of, no?

If you can beat the dummies set out for it, you do enough, that means you do your rotations well enough to be able to beat whatever boss in thegame.

If SE put in open DPS meters in the game is the same if giving them permission to shame others and openly deny people from joining groups even if they do enough DPS to beat the content because 'speed run' and other ways of discriminations.

That is why, they said they never will add such tools, it is even prohibited to openly use them from third party programs (apps) that is why, also the gamers do not get to dictate what the devs should put into their game, it is the other way around, they can be open to suggestions, but DPS meters offer nothing but grief, and unfortunately that is the thruth.

[Saraide]

If SE put in open DPS meters in the game is the same if giving them permission to shame others and openly deny people from joining groups even if they do enough DPS to beat the content because 'speed run' and other ways of discriminations.

No it doesnt. Why do you think it does. If I harass someone over dying to aoes multiple times, what do you think will happen? I can see what they die to, that information is displayed on my screen. That gives me permission to harass them over it right??

[ForteNightshade]

If you can beat the dummies set out for it, you do enough, that means you do your rotations well enough to be able to beat whatever boss in thegame.

This is decidedly untrue because you're comparing a stationary target against moving parts. Just look up a video of Pandaemonium (P10S) and tell me again it's the same as simply hitting a striking dummy. Not to mention, said dummy in no way teaches you how to tank or heal. If that wasn't the final nail in the coffin, they've been notoriously tuned poorly. At one point, Bard and Dancer couldn't even clear their dummy due to their damage being heavily party reliant.

Stone, Sky, Star, while not entirely useless is a very poor metric to determine if a player is competent for Savage.

If SE put in open DPS meters in the game is the same if giving them permission to shame others and openly deny people from joining groups even if they do enough DPS to beat the content because 'speed run' and other ways of discriminations.

Let us first define what constitutes harassment. Say you have a Dragoon who is frequently collecting damage downs or outright dying. Is it "harassment" to call out their lack of DPS even if you're still comfortably within the enrage window? I doubt many would say it is, provided you weren't being a jerk. We'll go one better and say they don't make any mechanical mistakes but they're being out-damaged by the Prange or even a geared tank. Once again, is it "harassment" to point that out and ask, "Why is your damage so low, Dragoon?" Even if you'll still clear with them, it puts far more pressure on everyone else to pick up the slack and make up for their lackluster performance. Why is that okay?

As for the whole "speed runs" and such. I'm going to be blunt. You are not entitled to join someone's party simply because you want to. If I want to speed kill/log a specific fight and advertise it as such, why is that suddenly "discrimination" when I've made it openly apparent what my expectations are for the party I created? If you aren't looking for a speed kill, then simply find another party that suits your needs. Ironically, we already have these "discriminating" parties advertised as "barse runs". Guess what people who don't want to "barse" do? Find another party advertising weekly reclears and move on. It's really that simple.

That is why, they said they never will add such tools, it is even prohibited to openly use them from third party programs (apps) that is why, also the gamers do not get to dictate what the devs should put into their game, it is the other way around, they can be open to suggestions, but DPS meters offer nothing but grief, and unfortunately that is the thruth.

The reason it will never be added is simply due to player coddling. They don't want players knowing how widely their damage can swing against more skilled players because that may discourage them from doing the content. They want that freestyle Samurai thinking they're a top dog contributor and not someone getting out-DPSed by the Red Mage. DPS meters only offer "grief" if they go unsupervised. It isn't as though the harassment rules suddenly don't apply. Telling someone to say, uninstall because "omg you <insert expletive> suck" is still harassment regardless if a parser is involved. In fact, just last night a friend of mine was told to "kms" (kill myself) after calling out the tank for not using cooldowns in P9S. No parser was involved yet they still managed to go that far.

In reality, if they ever did allow DPS meters after the first month or so when the trash takes itself out because they can't help themselves, things would mostly level out provided GMs remained thorough and consistent.