Would you like an in-game parser?

[Deceptus]

Good points! Content should have a gradual difficulty increase that would help people improve while they advance in the game. I also think that requiring beating a SSS dummy to be able to access content might be a good first step in making people aware of their current skill level in a kind and non-public way.

I agree with this, but what do healers and tanks do? There's no SSS for them.

[Sebazy]

Party composition has a very significant impact on your own dps. So if you want accuracy you need all the parties information not just a fraction of it

Precisely why I feel that if we are to get an in-game parser, it should be based around Potency per Second rather than DPS. It's gear agnostic and your party comp doesn't have such a significant impact on your performance that way.

[Taika]

I agree with this, but what do healers and tanks do? There's no SSS for them.

There's no SSS doll for healing or tanking (enmity management and damage mitigation), but there is DPS SSS for healers and tanks, and since DPS is vital part of playing both roles in raiding, I think it's good enough.

[MoroMurasaki]

Precisely why I feel that if we are to get an in-game parser, it should be based around Potency per Second rather than DPS. It's gear agnostic and your party comp doesn't have such a significant impact on your performance that way.

I think this is likely the fairest compromise that anyone has come up with thus far. While I would personally prefer essentially ACT in-game this would be such a huge step forward for PS4 players I think we could make it work.

[AmeliaVerves]

then that game already exists, it's called WoW.

You do realise WoW can not be played on PS4? And if I have to get a PC to play a game with a parser I can also get FFXIV and ACT... so I'm sorry, but this is the most useless argument in this whole debate. ^^'

[akaneakki]

yslexia is a ####.

I have dyslexia too. Yeah most of us and id say 99% people don't care about dungeon dps at least if they are okay. I've seen blms spam scatter or fire 3 and bliz 3 right after, this is something i don't find acceptable at all tbh. But about raids and savage and even trials, I do expect, like yourself that people play great.
But lets say I run a dungeon and I'm about 100-200 dps behind a smn/rdm or a blm, even a samurai. As SCH or even astro, are they also considered bad? I mean the real reason I ask is because plenty of people here dodge that question, because if they do know a healer did out dps them, they tend to ignore they fact they arent as good they think they are. And I also happen to out dps people as whm and sch in dungeon bosses too. I need an explantion there if they are bad or good.

[NosamKin]

to simply answer the question - yes - I would like an in game parser.

What comes up at the end of PVP would be a good start. (THUS it already exists - at some level)

[DeaconMoore]

to simply answer the question - yes - I would like an in game parser.

What comes up at the end of PVP would be a good start. (THUS it already exists - at some level)

Shhh, they'll take that away if you're too loud about it.

Realistically the dev team should have some kind of damage meter tool at their disposal for balance testing purposes. The PvP report is just a after action numbers server report. No real useful information is in it aside from epeen data.

[HyoMinPark]

1: That kind of question is a loaded gun to me. White Mage's are notoriously strong dps for what they do - and tend to out DPS most classes in several situations. However, compared to say a Black Mage? Not so great, Black Mages don't have to worry about running out of mana provided to flip umbral every so often. White Mages have to rely on Lucid Dream/Thin Air which cool down every 120s or so which can be tricky as your rolling dice that you wont need that when you burn them. Etc..etc...

While a WHM will surpass a DPS in terms of numbers in AOE situations because Holy spam is OP (barring a few jobs like SMN that are ridiculously OP now), if a WHM is outDPSing a DPS job in a single-target situation, there is a huge problem there. If you, as a WHM, were outDPSing a SMN on a boss, there is a problem. So what would you say in a situation like that? I think that’s what akaneakki was referring to.

In short - so long as DPS is doing the best they can (and I'm not expecting perfection) - even at mediocre damage - I'm OK.

And that’s fine, in dungeons. No one expects 95% performance in dungeons, or even 24-mans or 8-man story mode raids/trials.

Now in an ultimate/savage situation? Id expect them to be on their A Game.

Include Extreme here as well. Because if a person isn’t on top of it, it’s very possible to hit enrage and not even clear a fight.

Take a group I joined in on yesterday for Shinryu (fairly certain that it was a “farm” party). There was an extremely vocal MCH that kept calling out every mistake this MNK made; every death they had (which was the fault of the healers, not the MNK—because they kept dying to the Sludge DoT from Earth Breath), yet this MCH could barely break 3k DPS in 330-340 gear. The MNK was in full 320 gear and was keeping up with myself and a friend (BRD/DRG respectfully) when we are i340–we were pulling about 5k a piece, with the MNK pulling over 4k, around 4.2k consistently...very good for their gear and ilvl. They died twice in one pull and still outDPS’d the vocal MCH.

The damage was so low from that MCH, both tanks (barely breaking 1,500 DPS outside of tank stance), and healers (0 DPS from both) that we were seeing the second Tidal Wave in the first phase. There’s a HUGE problem there, and it was one of those instances where I really wish I could have said something. Because that MCH was complaining so much at the MNK, I wanted to tell him “Perhaps you should stop complaining and focus more on your own damage because you are barely doing over 3k with ZERO deaths; no wonder we keep seeing the second Tidal Wave”.

2: On a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being best) - Id say I'm a 7...sometimes an 8. I consider myself a competent White Mage..maybe good enough to consider serious things like savage/ultimate...but I would also say there's always room for improvement... and I don't think a parser will tell me jack...because a lot of my problem is timing and coordination. Dyslexia is a ####.

Parsers used in conjunction with FFLogs would be a very good tool for self-improvement if you used them. Analyzing the uploaded logs of other WHMs on the site, and seeing when they use which CDs, how they time their heals, etc., would also help—such information can only be obtained with parser data. Don’t dismiss a parser and think that it wouldn’t show you ways to improve when you’ve never even used one. It’s like when people say they don’t like certain foods, but have never tried them.

I’m curious as to how dyslexia contributes to poor timing and coordination. As far as I’m aware, that’s something that only affects one’s reading skills because it jumbles up the letters sometimes, or some letters look like other letters. Are you meaning that, because you sometimes can’t properly read the casts/cast bars (the letters get jumbled up sometimes), you may be late on timing a heal? Feel free to tell me because I honestly don’t know how dyslexia affects coordination and timing. That being said, however, one shouldn’t use disabilities as an excuse to not improve.

[Mature]

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No offense taken. What I was trying to say is that thanks to parsing we have then YouTube videos teaching you rotations and Maximizing damage. So , without a parser we wouldn't have any of those videos online.

Thanks to parsing we can improve our rotations and damage we inflict on mobs.

Basically we DO need a PERSONAL parser for us to improve and get better. Because PC user are having the upper hand by finding out things that PS4 users can't (bard IJ snapshot for example)

A personal in game parser is needed to improve