Would you like an in-game parser?

[Kaurie]

Not entirely true, the Hate meter is a "hint" at who's doing more DPS, exception for openers (a bad DPS probably doesn't do a good opener to begin with) and if Quelling Strikes is used, even then if the hate bar on the other DPS is too small (exception for Monk due to being somewhat slow starters) don't use on them, or simply wait a bit before buffing people.

One thing is to check the gear, Raid Gear and/or Sophia weapon should indicate good players, still this doesn't mean they aren't bad, might be someone who got A12S weapon for a Job he doesn't play and is giving it a try.

In the end yes, for Astro is kinda hit and miss without parser.

Yeah, there are definitely a few queues, but nothing concrete. Hate meter is notoriously unhelpful vs say AoE. If we are fighting 5 mobs and a melee single targets for 1k DPS and I AOE for 3k DPS, I am doing 3x the damage, but have 60% of the hate on the mob the melee is targeting.

There is also issues such as pets reducing your hate - Garuda does ~20-25% of the damage on single target, so there is a constant 20-25% reduction in my personal hate generation. Then there are also differences with hate reductions skills.

Finally, this also requires that the AST be targeting the mob, where they may be targeting the tank and want to just quickly toss out the card.

[RobbieH]

Yeah, there are definitely a few queues, but nothing concrete. Hate meter is notoriously unhelpful vs say AoE. If we are fighting 5 mobs and a melee single targets for 1k DPS and I AOE for 3k DPS, I am doing 3x the damage, but have 60% of the hate on the mob the melee is targeting.

There is also issues such as pets reducing your hate - Garuda does ~20-25% of the damage on single target, so there is a constant 20-25% reduction in my personal hate generation. Then there are also differences with hate reductions skills.

Finally, this also requires that the AST be targeting the mob, where they may be targeting the tank and want to just quickly toss out the card.

But in this case you'd want to use the buff on whatever Job is better at AOE DPS, it's still a hit and miss but there are guaranteed gains if the person is doing AOE even if poorly.

Just to be sure, make sure they used AOE skills before buffing them.

[JunseiKei]

Not entirely true, the Hate meter is a "hint" at who's doing more DPS, exception for openers (a bad DPS probably doesn't do a good opener to begin with) and if Quelling Strikes is used, even then if the hate bar on the other DPS is too small (exception for Monk due to being somewhat slow starters) don't use on them, or simply wait a bit before buffing people.

One thing is to check the gear, Raid Gear and/or Sophia weapon should indicate good players, still this doesn't mean they aren't bad, might be someone who got A12S weapon for a Job he doesn't play and is giving it a try.

In the end yes, for Astro is kinda hit and miss without parser.

This doesn't account for people who buy content from those that can carry in exchange for gil. Bards and Machinists tend to be high enmity generators, but tend to not have nearly as much DPS as a melee or caster. Even if someone is #4 on the enmity list, it doesn't tell you how high it is; or rather, how low it might actually be. Not even taking into account an off-tank that is holding at #2 on enmity.

[Kaurie]

But in this case you'd want to use the buff on whatever Job is better at AOE DPS, it's still a hit and miss but there are guaranteed gains if the person is doing AOE even if poorly.

Just to be sure, make sure they used AOE skills before buffing them.

It's just not necessarily true. Some people are truly terrible at their AoE. This is why a parser would be useful.

[JunseiKei]

But in this case you'd want to use the buff on whatever Job is better at AOE DPS, it's still a hit and miss but there are guaranteed gains if the person is doing AOE even if poorly.

Just to be sure, make sure they used AOE skills before buffing them.

I've seen ninjas and dragoons out AoE DPS a summoner. I wish I were kidding. I had to ask my husband, hey, is this person really pulling this, or did it break? Well, it wasn't broken.

[RobbieH]

I've seen ninjas and dragoons out AoE DPS a summoner. I wish I were kidding. I had to ask my husband, hey, is this person really pulling this, or did it break? Well, it wasn't broken.

I just went into Bismarck Roulette, 3 wipes we didn't beat it, Summoner didn't summon pet a single time, was spamming ruin 2 lol

Anyway, i'm going to say again, putting it on someone who is doing AOE DPS even if badly is still a gain.

[dragonseth07]

I just went into Bismarck Roulette, 3 wipes we didn't beat it, Summoner didn't summon pet a single time, was spamming ruin 2 lol

Anyway, i'm going to say again, putting it on someone who is doing AOE DPS even if badly is still a gain.

Out of curiosity. The SMN you just mentioned, would you feel justified in kicking them?

[Kaurie]

Anyway, i'm going to say again, putting it on someone who is doing AOE DPS even if badly is still a gain.

I am going to say it again, that isn't necessarily true. I've seen SMN AoE with 1000 DPS, and most melee can easily outdo 1000 DPS in single target damage. I used SMN here, because obviously they are the best at AoE - it's worse with other jobs. While yes, of equal skill, a person doing AoE will gain over single target, the issue is that you don't see people of equal skill in DF.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Out of curiosity. The SMN you just mentioned, would you feel justified in kicking them?

They are actively preventing the completion of the duty. That's not quite the same as what people are concerned of having happen when parser become legal.

[Frowny]

They are actively preventing the completion of the duty. That's not quite the same as what people are concerned of having happen when PUBLIC parser become legal.

Amended and bolded an important part. That is the core hang-up right now and I'm not sure why. The only ones who would actively parse an entire party are Savage groups to see where issues are.