Would you like an in-game parser?

[Seraphix2407]

Hey, she's the one that compared it to my boss watching my performance at work. :O Clearly she's implying that she's my boss by parsing me, so it's only natural I'd expect payment.

That person never said your boss is parsing you. If you want me go give you an example I said earlier in the thread:

I know this isn't game related but I will tell u regardles.
I work at one of the biggest companies in Norway and I'm a leader among with 4-5 others at that department we work at. Now, we recently had 2 guys appying and we tested them both. However one of them was doing shitbad, like propper bad. His excuse was because it's not needed to perform 100%, as bad that sounds we told him he has to search for another job, because when you work you are there to do it 100% not half ass.


To reply to your respons, if he was never bad I wouldn't call it out, but he was so it was needed. If people wasn't bad they would never got called out, so that's their own fault, not the c*unts you mention.

Another example this ninja ilvl 210 did 700 dps in bismarck and we never killed it, I told him he can be a lot better, at first he was a bit off, since he didn't know it was that bad. 1 week later after talking to my ninja friend, whos really good his dps incrased up to 950-1.2k dps. ON a dummy it incrased by 500 almost, insane isn't it? Now he never has ANYONE ''badmouthing'' him, because they have no reason to. Just because some one said you are bad, don't ignore the fact you are, start improve, if you don't you keep getting those harsh things coming your way. If you want it to stop, improve, don't ignore it and feel bad for yoruself or make a whole group and then say how bad life is because some one was mean to you for 10 seconds saying you didn't pull of your weight.

[CaedemSanguis]

50k Gil for every trash pull I end with 1k DPS plus, 400k for every trash pull with me doing 5k plus. Oh, and bosses are pricier, 250k per boss, 75k bonus for every multiple of 500 DPS I reach. And if you want a fully optimized opener, that'll be extra. If you want to start pretending your my boss, we'll have to discuss payment.

Im a tank if you want me to tank m2/m3 or m4 you need to PAY ME otherwise you will be the tank

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Im a tank if you want me to tank m2/m3 or m4 you need to PAY ME otherwise you will be the tank

No. I'm the tank. :I Being OT is boring to me.

ETA: I've long since progressed past the point of caring. I just want to push this topic to 100+ pages.

[Kezy_Kaatapoh]

50k Gil for every trash pull I end with 1k DPS plus, 400k for every trash pull with me doing 5k plus. Oh, and bosses are pricier, 250k per boss, 75k bonus for every multiple of 500 DPS I reach. And if you want a fully optimized opener, that'll be extra. If you want to start pretending your my boss, we'll have to discuss payment.

Point missed! The point is it's not personal information and is relevant to the whole party. It shouldn't be seen as a personal attack if someone points out your damage is low. Now if they do it nasty, that's another story, but that's not an overly common thing and, even if you see it often, most people will disagree with that person and it's reportable. But no, let's continue to argue ancillary points, miss points of the other side, and have no real discussion.

[Reynhart]

Point missed! The point is it's not personal information and is relevant to the whole party.

If I have one week to do a task, it's not your problem if I decide to rush for 4 days and take it easy on the last 3.

But no, let's continue to argue ancillary points, miss points of the other side, and have no real discussion.

This :

I'm almost 100% positive your damage output is below average and your afraid you can't lazily go through content with out putting in effort

is where the serious discussion stopped.

So, some people complained that anti-parsers call all pro-parsers assholes or bully, but apparently, it's totally ok for pro-parsers to call anti-parsers lazy ?

[Seraphix2407]

is where the serious discussion stopped.
So, some people complained that anti-parsers call all pro-parsers assholes or bully, but apparently, it's totally ok for pro-parsers to call anti-parsers lazy ?

To reply to you about serious discussions:
Look at how people talk in this thread? I'm seriously going to go through the whole thread tomorrow and quote something similar, just cba atm as I need to sleep soon. Calling people piece of shit and then act whiteknight? Really?!

You judged someone NOT worthy, in essence a piece of s**
Thank you for proving what many of us have been saying that this community is NOT mature enough to play with others and why parsers should NEVER BE IMPLEMENTED in this game.

And this person say community isn't mature? Look at how some anti parser people talks. I don't say everyone, but they exist, very much in this thread. The irony in many post. Now I don't agree with what the guy said about people being lazy. I'm aware and so are others people can dip of how they play their class and have no info how to improve. But before you talk about people being serious on discussion, go look for those people who are anti parser people calling people assholes, piece of shit, etc you name it.

Don't get me wrong but:

This doesn't apply to all anti parsers however.

I'm sure I'm going to get someone mad, but the truth is if you have such a big problem with parsers I'm almost 100% positive your damage output is below average and your afraid you can't lazily go through content with out putting in effort and letting others pick up your slack. That's just my opinion.

From what I understand, he doesn't really say everyone, but there are many, far too many. There are more of lazy players than those pro parser assholes which you and many speak of. Want data and proof of it? I could go on for weeks, months day and compare to what I experience including people in my fc. I talk about people being jerks about parsers vs those who lazy, and when I talk lazy there are many of them ignoring the problem.

There are so many reasons why there are few people being assholes about parsers, because it offends people and when it happens they get reported, simple. I can report people for being lazy and actually ''trolling'' us. I actually witness it once, a guy wasn't even doing anything at all in the dungeon and the GM just showed up and removed him by himself. Why? The guy was selfish enough to barely do anything on mobs and refused to listen, the other guy in the group didn't want to kick him so I reported them both. I'm soooooooo glad some GM's find this as harrasement and toxic too.

No it's not okay to call anti parser people lazy, much as people shouldn't call parser people assholes.
What I've said countless of times, people who parsers can be assholes, but don't be in denial those who are anti parser people (not everyone) can be lazy. Both groups can be assholes in different terms. I'm actually so tired of saying it actually much as many pro parsers, time after time say it nearly every post: REPORT PEOPLE WHO HARRAS YOU WITH PARSERS! Yet you see 10000 people calling few of us assholes in this thread or like this guy I quoted calling people of shit. Is that a good example? I just want to give up sometimes,lol.

[Kezy_Kaatapoh]

If I have one week to do a task, it's not your problem if I decide to rush for 4 days and take it easy on the last 3.

This :

is where the serious discussion stopped.

So, some people complained that anti-parsers call all pro-parsers assholes or bully, but apparently, it's totally ok for pro-parsers to call anti-parsers lazy ?

It's not my problem, but I'm not saying it is either. As has been pointed out numerous times throughout this thread, we do not care about your DPS in a dungeon or other content that doesn't require you to do near optimal DPS. I don't care if you want to rush 4 days when you have a week. I do care if you have 4 days and want to take a week. You keep putting words in pro-parser people's mouths and ignore what they're actually saying. The only reason I'm even for a parser in non raiding/extreme content is for what someone else stated earlier, that new people or people who do care about their numbers, but have no way of knowing if they're good or not, have an immediate frame of reference to say, "oh hey, I can be doing more". If a parser were implemented, I would have no plans whatsoever to even bring up someone else's DPS unless we were dying to enrage or low DPS on a fight where DPS actually mattered, and even then I'd chat with them to see what's up, see what they're doing, and see if maybe we can do something as a team to fix it.

Many other people in this thread have expressed the same, but you don't want that to be our argument. You want our argument to be that we want to call out every single person doing low DPS in every content ever just so you have something to argue against, but that's not what we're saying. Will there be some people who do that? Of course! But they're already doing it because people who care enough to belittle you for DPS when it doesn't matter are already using a parser. It's not like parsers being allowed will suddenly make it ok to harass someone anyway. It'll always be reportable and I wouldn't have it any other way.

And no, serious discussion stopped ages ago when you started ignoring or twisting 90% of the arguments thrown at you. But not just you, other people have done the same (I made note of someone anti-parser being the most toxic person I've seen in this game, and I stand by that). It's not ok to call all anti-parsers lazy, and I disagree with that assertion. I never even mentioned that post because it wasn't relevant to what I was saying. But once again, you've decided for me what my stance is. Some people on the pro-parser side have been just as bad too! But this conversation goes nowhere when points are constantly twisted or ignored.

[Rawrz]

Just today, I was thinking about how mellow this thread had become. .___. I was wrong.

[Ghishlain]

Just today, I was thinking about how mellow this thread had become. .___. I was wrong.

/Comfort - silver lining, more exposure. :P

[Archaell]

Just today, I was thinking about how mellow this thread had become. .___. I was wrong.

Parser threads can never be mellow :3

My personal view point is that because it is impossible to reach any kind of agreement it would be for the best to allow all the players to decide for themselves.

1st. Make the parser a PF option so that people who want to parse would join the parsing groups and people who do not want to parse would join the non-parsing groups.

2nd. Put a checkbox in DF so that the parsing players are matched together and non-parsing players are matched together.

Then everybody can be happy. ^^