Would you like an in-game parser?

[Ciri_Wolf]

You have a really condescending view of people if you think that a simple question would hurt someone's "delicate feelings" causing them to throw a fit, and that it would be a regular occurrence. Just saying.

And that's what the entire pro-parsing argument is about. Why I hate these silly topics even though I'd be fine with parsers.

[Lunavi]

I have played enough WoW to see what parsers do to communities.

[KarstenS]

People don't need a parser to do better, they need the interest in learning the maximum DPS Rotation

When you only want to fight a dummy, thats enough.

and the ability to react to mechanics that would attempt to disrupt your combo to minimize lost DPS.

This statament is wrong. When you do it this way you will be far behind good damage dealers and never beat DPS checks like hands of pain in content like A3S. Knowing the basic rotation just the beginning. In real fights you have to rebuild parts of it to get out the maximum possible damage. To find the best solution, you need to know the result of the changes. And the result of the changes you only get by knowing the numbers.

[Reynhart]

And the result of the changes you only get by knowing the numbers.

Or by seeing how many seconds of your buffs are wasted, or how long you let your DoTs wear off...

Parsing is not the only solution. Or else, everybody who doesn't use a parser would be terrible at this game.

[Seraphix2407]

Parsing is not the only solution. Or else, everybody who doesn't use a parser would be terrible at this game.

Actually. Many openers/rotations often comes from parsers. You know dervy? I'm well aware you know who he is. Do you wanna know something? He spent HOURS, I talk HOURS 6-10 hours a day finding out whats good on DRG, crit, det,skillspeed etc you name it. All this info came from a parser, believe it or not. If you don't believe me I can give you endless of proof and screenshots of me and him doing it together. This is called optimisation. All he did was hitting a dummy with different stats looked over time to see whats good or not, and you know, because of him many knows how to play DRG. What if he never had a tool to even find out this info then what? Gonna run through battle log and then theorycraft? XD

[Reynhart]

Actually. Many openers/rotations often comes from parsers. You know dervy? I'm well aware you know who he is. Do you wanna know something? He spent HOURS, I talk HOURS 6-10 hours a day finding out whats good on DRG, crit, det,skillspeed etc you name it. All this info came from a parser, believe it or not.

He could have done it by potency alone. Since potency is linear, any bonus granted by stats will always affect your skill in the same way.

Little example:
Let's say you play PLD and you try to find when is the best time to use Fight or Flight in your rotation. You know your potencies, you know that FoF add +30% damage, i.e, +30% potency, for 12 GCD, and you make a spreadsheet applying FoF on different skills. And, voilà, you have your optimal FoF usage just before Goring Blade, because it's the only way to apply it to two Goring Blades. Or you can do the same to know when it's better to change Oath, or how many GCD at least you need to stay in SwO to compensate for the two lost GCD, etc...

Dervy's rotation would have been the same with a ilvl1 weapon and no other gear. And I'll actually try something a little different from him tonight to see if I can gain this damned last 1% I lack from my latest SSS tries

[LadyCeles]

SSS is a good start. If u dont know ur rotation enough to beat it i cant expect u to have good dps in raid when mechanics are implamented. Parsers are a great tool to see progression and sure as u get more use to the mechanics u will do better dps by putting your dots up anytime you wont be able to attack boss and knowing the good times to use your strong CDS and all the other ins and outs. Maintaining a conistent strong dps is important. But parsers are more then just reading your teams dps and dps progression. You can see your teams damage, what was hurting you, if a mechanic caused damage to others, your limit break, if you missed hits, and more. Thats why it should be in the game but only for the content it is needed for. People that dont want parsers are not going to do savage, so dont put it in duty finder content, kind of like how pvp has its damage totals at the end.

[Seraphix2407]

And I'll actually try something a little different from him tonight to see if I can gain this damned last 1% I lack from my latest SSS tries

I'll tell him you said hi and off topic which SSS? M4?

[Preypacer]

SSS is a good start. If u dont know ur rotation enough to beat it i cant expect u to have good dps in raid when mechanics are implamented. Parsers are a great tool to see progression and sure as u get more use to the mechanics u will do better dps by putting your dots up anytime you wont be able to attack boss and knowing the good times to use your strong CDS and all the other ins and outs. Maintaining a conistent strong dps is important. But parsers are more then just reading your teams dps and dps progression. You can see your teams damage, what was hurting you, if a mechanic caused damage to others, your limit break, if you missed hits, and more. Thats why it should be in the game but only for the content it is needed for. People that dont want parsers are not going to do savage, so dont put it in duty finder content, kind of like how pvp has its damage totals at the end.

I still find it rather sad that people whom, ostensibly, consider themselves to be at the top of the/their game, doing the hardest content, are so insecure about their ability to play that they require and even demand a security blanket in the form of "numbers!".

It's right up there with people (often from the same group - the so-called, self-declared "top players") who will readily tell others to "learn to play", while they themselves have to rely on guides and videos in order to successfully clear content. The people who make those videos and guides "learned to play" the game. People who learn things through trial and error are "learning to play". Those who can't succeed without using guides/videos aren't "learning". They're mimicking.

FFXIV wasn't designed with parsers in-game. They're not allowed. Yet the content is surmountable without them. People don't need parsers to succeed. They use them as a crutch; a security blanket. And no, saying "well they are needed because people use them!" is not an argument - it's a non-sequitur; it's a freaking stupid argument. Further, Yoshi-P has concerns about their implementation. Those concerns are, again, well founded and supported by the behavior of people who've used them, and the drama they inevitably cause in many MMOs, across many years. This game already has its share of would-be dictators who are just dying to get their hands on data they can openly weaponize to harass/belittle/berate other players, because they've convinced themselves they are the arbiter of how everyone else should be playing. Some are already doing it, even with the unsanctioned parsers already in use. Again, I'm sure Yoshi-P sees this, and it's at least part of what he's concerned about. If some are already being this hostile without an official parser, what the hell is going to happen if he officially makes them okay, and it becomes open season?

I'm sure there are some who truly would only use them for good use, who wouldn't abuse or misuse them or weaponize the data. Those individuals clearly wouldn't be the problem. It's all those others who would do so that are the concern. So, I'll say it again.. if you want to see a more positive point-of-view emerge about parsers and their use, start by shunning, shaming and ostracizing those within your sub-group (pro-parsers) who would abuse/misuse/weaponize them. Don't sit on the sidelines and say "Ohhh... I'm sure it'll be fine. None of that's going to happen". Don't be the kind of person who thinks "well, I guess it's going to happen, but as long as I get my parser numbers, and can see others', then it's worth it. People will just have to learn to deal with it".

And for those who keep talking as though there's some mandate that other players must "improve their game to meet your own standards", get the f*** over yourself. Seriously. Your self-importance, arrogance, and sense of authority over how others play are not warranted, nor earned.

[Reynhart]

I'll tell him you said hi and off topic which SSS? M4?

M1S for now.