Would you like an in-game parser?

[Leigaon]

I say give it to them, whatever makes them feel better about themselves. At the same time we can update the policies for any abuse on the matter. Both seem fair, lets do this.

after all this time I still dont want one, it still not of an absolute necessity (you can well see if you do pull your weight or not) and others dont have to know what you do or dont do. I would go with a personal parser that I could agree. Anymore then that and is still wrong seen the level of maturity that most players show aorund here..

While it does have some positive aspects to it, there can be negatives as well and this is one of them. So lets have the parsers at the same time, lets re-write the abuse of it and boost up the punishment. I'll keep it off, you can tell when you're doing your part..this game isn't that deep and complex. People just make it out to be..for..well..it's what we miss lol.

People already use one outside of the game so it's not like we're preventing anything. Though for the ps4 players, they have something already they just should implement it before unlocking EX trials, and that's the striking dummies. But then again you will get people who get upset because you're gated behind that. Everything has a negative aspect to it so that's unavoidable. It's just the weight of one vs the other. Lets roll with the personal parser toggle group..alliance..world..data center options and let us report and get rid of the abusive ones. Because lets face it, once you give them a personal one..they'll want more. Give people an inch and they take a mile

[MeiUshu]

after all this time I still dont want one, it still not of an absolute necessity (you can well see if you do pull your weight or not) and others dont have to know what you do or dont do. I would go with a personal parser that I could agree. Anymore then that and is still wrong seen the level of maturity that most players show aorund here. Just see the mentor thread and the so many complains about it. I dont want to live the same with a parser that would end up poorly and with lots of frustrations and angered people and deceived people. The happy base doesnt outcome the unhappy one.
Unfortunately, like usual, people dont say a word when is time and then complain when it is too late.

[Reisui]

after all this time I still dont want one, it still not of an absolute necessity (you can well see if you do pull your weight or not) and others dont have to know what you do or dont do. I would go with a personal parser that I could agree. Anymore then that and is still wrong seen the level of maturity that most players show aorund here. Just see the mentor thread and the so many complains about it. I dont want to live the same with a parser that would end up poorly and with lots of frustrations and angered people and deceived people. The happy base doesnt outcome the unhappy one.
Unfortunately, like usual, people dont say a word when is time and then complain when it is too late.

I actually can follow you, I saw an increase in rude people. That's why I would go for either just a personal parser or an personal parser and toggle on/off group parser for pre-made groups. My friends and I would like to see the effects we have as a group on eachother.

[WeekendSoja]

Oh baby!!! It's back!!!

A parser built into PF only where you can create parties around it would be cool.

If you don't like parsers just stay away from PF's that say, "We will be watching you...closely...(heavy breathing)"

If you ever get the chance to YouTube Dane Cook and "people who die to bees"...as he said...just stay away from that bush full of f***king bees. Lol

[Lambdafish]

A parser built into PF only where you can create parties around it would be cool.

If you don't like parsers just stay away from PF's that say, "We will be watching you...closely...(heavy breathing)"

I've always said I would support this, and the counter-argument is "everyone will use a parser and I won't be able to get a group", and my arguement is "put up a learning party without a parser". People really don't know how to use the party finder, and I really think that the options available and the way a party is presented really needs to be reworked before this will be successful.

At the same time we can update the policies for any abuse on the matter. Both seem fair, lets do this.

This won't happen, SE is already iffy about getting rid of RMT because it is free revenue, I don't think they will put down the banhammer on this unnecessarily.

[Leigaon]

This won't happen, SE is already iffy about getting rid of RMT because it is free revenue, I don't think they will put down the banhammer on this unnecessarily.

Probably not, which is why this is doomed from the get go. To give something with no restrictions attached, people will not be civil or treat it correctly. You'd have to have one with the other. Though you're right, they won't. So this will eventually just cause a lot more harm than the good it could do. Which sucks a bit in the end.

[Reinha]

Probably not, which is why this is doomed from the get go. To give something with no restrictions attached, people will not be civil or treat it correctly. You'd have to have one with the other. Though you're right, they won't. So this will eventually just cause a lot more harm than the good it could do. Which sucks a bit in the end.

The best way to do it would be to give everyone a choice. A choice to parse the group if it's a premade, a choice to parse ourselves everywhere, a choice to not be parsed in DF and a choice to see which premade groups are using the in-game parser -> a choice to avoid them or join them.

This could be done by making it an option in the duty settings (only available to toggle for premades), and it would cause no need for extra moderation or limitations by SE because those who are not happy reporting a parser douche bag after the fact can take the initiative and avoid the chance of bumping into them in the first place (external parsers would be redundant so their use/abuse would be extremely rare). It's the perfect compromise but people like to take away choices from others which is why these threads spiral into arguments.

[Velhart]

The best way to do it would be to give everyone a choice. A choice to parse the group if it's a premade, a choice to parse ourselves everywhere, a choice to not be parsed in DF and a choice to see which premade groups are using the in-game parser -> a choice to avoid them or join them.

This could be done by making it an option in the duty settings (only available to toggle for premades), and it would cause no need for extra moderation or limitations by SE because those who are not happy reporting a parser douche bag after the fact can take the initiative and avoid the chance of bumping into them in the first place (external parsers would be redundant so their use/abuse would be extremely rare). It's the perfect compromise but people like to take away choices from others which is why these threads spiral into arguments.

That is way too much work and pointless just to try to keep the peace.

The only real compromise with a parser is for it to be a personal one that others cannot see. The idea of an official parser is nice, but it comes with a lot of set backs and inevitable drama that SE prefers to not cause. WoW still doesn't use an official parser either (at least that I am aware of).

I think people would be better off yanking SE's arm for releasing the add-on system and let the community make a unofficial parser.

[MeiUshu]

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I am in total agreement with you I have always said the same since the word *parser* was whispered back then. Today it is used by people but there is the sanction to be expelled from teh game if you use it to demean others or use it to shame others, which goes along with your idea to have strict rules attached to it BUT they need workforces to enforce those rules and as we saw on a daily basis is not like that is something SE will do. Creating rules is easy living up to it is a bit less.

Parsers are a bad idea as a public tool, as a personal tool I can live with that. Each are free to do what they want when it relates to themselves personally ergo a personal tool. This community has already no feel as a commnuty unless by interest, I would avoid adding something that will further enlarge the gap between various layers of the player base.

[Rawrz]

I think it would be cool to create something like a "design a parser " thread. Just people creating the ui and limitations, then displaying them. Could use this thread and update the other. ;3