Would you like an in-game parser?

[Laurima]

Nope, I laugh enough at the gitgud brigade bashing people who don't care for massively optimized dps, having an in game parser would drive the game further into their hands and leave us poor casuals at the 'elitists' mercy ><

[Kallera]

Let me be clear, I run roulette with 2 other fc mates all the time, and someone almost always has a parser up. Do we use the info to tell people that they suck? No. We get a laugh out of the real bads, and we use the info amongst ourselves to compete or better our own game play. The people most vocally against parsing are usually those who have 0 interest in not only bettering themselves, but even putting in the effort it would take to play Mario Kart. If those numbers were in their faces maybe they would engage in their roles more.

I may like to know parser numbers on occasion but, I would not trust an official tool, nor do I need to be playing savage to say "I would rather not have official parser numbers become a constant judge of how i should be treated in a party."

[Iromi]

Oh I certainly would. Alas....idk if we will ever see one

[Cherie]

I wouldn't mind a parser.

It's never been about a vote if people want a parser or not however. It's a matter of SE putting a add on module into the game's UI. At the moment it's a large task they choose not to do. The whole debate if we want it or not isn't a thing to them. They know we'd like the option (if only a optional thing and not mandatory), but it's a matter of adding a "add on interface" and they aren't doing that now. Maybe by the next expansion. Last I heard, from last time I saw it brought up on I think it was a magazine interview, it's not high on the "to do" list... It may not be possible with PS3 UI restrictions also.

[WeekendSoja]

Just join a start-up raid group and see how you perform. All start-ups will have a PC-master race person running a parse all the time, and the best advice normally is going to be from your statics leadership cause they would want to clear stuff. Just gotta make sure it's a start-up from the ground up so its easier to make mistakes lol.

Other than that, I would love a parser that holds everyone accountable. I don't want to be mean but if you have some kind of back story irl that prevents you from playing your job to the best of your ability...than probably wait till the content becomes dated cause normally when content is still relevant and you can't perform...it's a horrible chain of finger pointing, anger, and finally abandonment.

[Zigabar]

Yes, please!

[AlphaFox]

You know also to add, if they do suddenly see a spike in reports or people being rude due to the parser they could always just remove it then. Wouldn't hurt to try and see what the outcome is instead of everyone being worried over it. Really only going to go two ways, either people love it or people start getting more hostile and they remove it and then can at least say they tried it before and it didn't work out well for the majority.

[Settiesama]

You know also to add, if they do suddenly see a spike in reports or people being rude due to the parser they could always just remove it then.

The problem with the reports and it being removed, is how people take information. People could be rude to the reporter, calling them out and mocking them, and damn straight they should be reporting that rubbish. However, the issue I see is the over sensitive people who take advice as offensive to their play style and report on that, and of course the people who will report such things (even if not directed at themselves) just for the sake of reporting to remove it. They may not get the real picture of it even then, and it could be removed when it truly is not even that bad. If it gets added, it should be in a way that it stays.

[Cidel]

The people most vocally against parsing are usually those who have 0 interest in not only bettering themselves, but even putting in the effort it would take to play Mario Kart. If those numbers were in their faces maybe they would engage in their roles more.

Nope, I laugh enough at the gitgud brigade bashing people who don't care for massively optimized dps, having an in game parser would drive the game further into their hands and leave us poor casuals at the 'elitists' mercy ><

And these two beliefs are the reason why this argument for/against in-game parsers never gets anywhere and goes on for 20+ pages when the thread is made. The side for parsers tends to feel that it's an important tool for players to better themselves and the opposition are seen as lazy people afraid of being called-out for doing minimal effort and get "carried," whilst those against in-game parsers are convinced it will be another tool for harassment and elitism and the opposition are elitist jerks who want to single-out everyone who doesn't meet their obnoxiously high criteria.

Both sides are capable of over-exaggerating the stance of the opposition.

[Deathgiver]

But it's ok to laugh at them with your 2 buddies, and sneer and call them "real bad" behind their back? Cuz that's what the person I responded to said they did. It's ok if you don't know how to offer help, so you say nothing. But it's not ok to just say "Har har, that MNK is terribad." to your two FC buddies who are in the roulette with you. You don't know the whole story on the MNK, and you have no idea if they're having an off day, if they're drunk, if their kid suddenly came up and puked on them (this has happened to me....), if they had a terrible day at work and really just want to mindlessly mash buttons for half an hour.... I'm sure you don't play at 110%, 110% of the time. To judge someone based off one roulette, to laugh at them... it's not fair, and adding a parser will only result in those insults becoming public, because people feel like they have the right to tell others they're terrible.

Aside from the fact that you're putting words I didn't say into the your "quotes" of things I didn't say into your argument, you're missing the simple fact that no one is saying they expect the people they play with to do 110 % any of them time (outside of progression statics). Most of us would just be happy with someone who didn't leach and pull less dps then I could accomplish with a single macro, 40 ilvls less gear and no thought put into the process at any point. The reason people keep pointing out the sub 500 dps players is because on pretty much every job you can do more than that just by spamming a 100 potency attack every 2.5 seconds while you're auto attacking.

I literally was curious what it would take to get this low, so I macroed my bard, who was equipped in a mix of 170-195 gear, a combined ilvl of 161 with no head or hands equipped. Using only a heavy shot macro with some of the oGCD skills and buffs my bard puts out over 600 dps in that crap gear. No WM, all I had to do to hit 600 was press 1 button twice every GCD. If my gear was up to date this would have been closer to 850-900 range. Why is it wrong for people to ask for at least that level of effort?

As far as your comments about the players situation:

Off Day - Never said I expect rotational perfection, and I don't believe anyone else who has posted on the issue has stated they do either. People can have off days, and if they aren't holding back the group that's more than fine.

Drunk - Flat out not my problem. If I wanted to hang out with drunk people I'd head to the pub.

Sick kid - I get it, I've had emergencies mid-run too. If it's going to be a hindrance to the party I drop, if it's going to be quick I'll excuse myself in chat. If I'm the other person in the group I'll ask if they need a minute. we're not talking about 1-5 minutes of the dungeon to deal with a problem where you dps goes to 0 or virtually nothing, we're talking about the course of a whole 15-30 minute run where someone is consistently underperforming.

Bad day at work...want to mash buttons - See my comments about the macro above.

Literally the only way to hit under 500 dps is to not be doing anything a really good chunk of the time. If you want to participate in group activities, you should be doing your part for the group, even if it's bare minimum. How many people have complained about enrage on Brute Justice this patch? The party dps requirement is only like 4k, which even if the healers aren't dpsing at all, and the tanks are perma tank stance running 500 dps only requires an average of 650 dps form the actual damage dealers. Despite this low requirement parties are still hitting enrage, sometimes even without anyone dying. Those players causing the wipe are basically expecting everyone else to do literally twice the output they do so they can float along in their happy cloud. Parsers would add some accountability to these leaches.