Would you like an in-game parser?

[Ryel]

All this video shows us is that Parsers wont effect the game in the way some people in this thread paint it, either negative or positive.

The bad players wont want to do better just because there are numbers on screen, the good ones don't need these numbers outside the most recent content and anyone doing that content most likely already uses a parser or has someone running one for them making it moot. The only people who are effected are those who don't understand how to use parsers, alienating them and causing confusion the numbers provided by a parser aren't just "Bigger is better" making it easy for people who don't understand that to mistakenly attack other players or think they are actually doing poorly when they are doing fine.

I think you're missing a part of the point the video makes, it's true that damage meters have little to no effect on player attitudes in LFR which is the WoW equivalent of our Duty Finder for the majority of content, provided content is being cleared. However this is what every single pro parsing argument has already put forth, nobody is going to care what you do in Ex roulette or normal mode trials or 24 man raids as long as the content is being completed in a timely manner.

If one DPS in my party is doing 50% of the damage of the other and we're still clearing our expert dungeon in 15-20 minutes I doubt anyone is going to say anything about it because it isnt likely that anyone is going to care, this changes however if the party is wiping to the boss repeatedly and the run is now 40-50 minutes in because one DPS is unable to pull their weight and holding back the rest of the party then I imagine someone might speak up and say something, In the same way we already do if someone in the party is repeatedly messing up a fight critical mechanic and wiping the group regardless of how well their DPS may be.

Parse results aren't all that hard to read and understand in context, It isn't just about "bigger is better" but rather a larger sustained average is better than a smaller one and that isn't all that difficult of a concept to explain, the initial wave of confusion will pass when players start to understand how a parser reads and what it means for their performance, but if you're going to sit there and say that new information may alienate some players or cause confusion, then why should the game bother adding new abilities to jobs or new mechanics to encounters for people to learn if they're just going to be "alienated and confused"?

That line of reasoning sounds very much like the "burden of knowledge" argument a certain "MOBA" company likes to make when it comes to anything that may promote players using critical thinking or problem solving skills.

I think parsers are a fine tool but those who need them already have them I think it's redundant to want to force it on everyone.

Except the console playerbase who have been repeatedly asking for a parser since the launch of the game seeing as a full console static is unable to even think of competing in the world first race when it comes to clearing the highest levels of content without at least 1 PC player in the party. And no, telling them to "ask a PC player to parse them" is not a solution. If anything that approach is a bit condescending as it takes the stance of "well you don't need it but if you really want it go ask someone else playing on another platform to help you" essentially treating them like second class players unfortunately.

Not that you implied this mind you, but it's a common response when the wishes of the console players are brought up.

And about "forcing" it on players?

I feel this is by far the best compromise for the situation:

It was already mentioned, that they could just add it to the Duty Finder Settings.

[] Damage-Meter
*Can only be selected in a duty with party size requirements or when using undersized party.
*Only certrain duties allow Damage-Meter
*Only party leader may select this setting
________

________

So no-parser-ppl just don't join those groups in pf, just like baddies don't (or shouldn't) join the ones with 'minimum ilvl' and a player tired of facerolling content not joining the 'undersized party (with 8 ppl)' ones and the one who really wants the drop for his mainclass not joining the 'Greed only' groups.

I just don't see the problem here.

[Jynx]

And about "forcing" it on players?

best compromise

That would not be a "Compromise" one of two things would happen. The majority of the playerbase would use one option or the other, and the less used option would become useless to do any content. hilariously enough due to the ratio of people who want to "Get Gud" the option that got ignored would most likely be the DPS meter option making it only used in content that is allready saturated in players using the third party equivalent that will most likely be superior to anything Square Enix would cobble together.

The only people who really have it any sort of "Bad" situation currently are consol only players and it's a rare occasion when they are somehow left out because they are unable to ask a single human who has a parser to give them a few numbers.

The pro parser community blows the "need" for a official parser out of proportion when there is no real need for it.

[Reynhart]

I feel this is by far the best compromise for the situation:

I don't think that will happen. For me, the farthest they'll go is to allow add-ons made by the players and that damage meters will surely be a part of it. Wich bring it back to the hands of the players to do what they want with it.
And thos add-ons will probably widen even more the gap between PC and console players.

[Rawrz]

Currently there's a total of about a dozen pro parser players that I've seen, at least on this thread, that claim what you claim. Unless you want to claim to speak for the vast majority, there's no evidence that's been put forth here that the majority of the pro parser population wouldn't harass and boot others for being a mere 100 DPS short of their exaggerated demands. On the other hand, there's a fair amount of evidence scattered all over the forums that parser data could, and is, abused, on a daily basis. While it's nice to be optimistic and hope that this data would only be used to help, it's much more logical to presume and predict what the worst case scenario would be.

Ahh but heres the thing about that. Most people, I believe, have a mild temperament and a sympathetic if not empathetic attitude. If one person says, your dps is low, when you are doing "100 dps off their exaggerated demand ," there are 2-6 other jurors who have to find you guilty, else it will cause strife for the party leader. Everyone has their own parser, everyone has their own standards. Demeaning accusations towards a stranger make me on that stranger's side, internally gathering evidence to defend them, until I've seen otherwise. Don't you think someone would defend the dps or try to absolve the situation? Most people, in my mind's eye, want to be perceived a pleasant and non-confrontational. Maybe I just don't like to watch unjustified belittling, if belittling is ever necessary in a game. A parser would just as easily defend the player.

This is also assuming that preformed parties gain a full parser only, which cannot vote kick, (also hello party finder resurgence), while duty finder, will give a personal parse only.

[Seraphix2407]

guy that asked us several times to wipe in Thordan's Reign phase 1 because we didn't bring the boss down below 65% before phasing. .

Dont think thats even possible. Ive seen bullies. Just not in a large scale as people claim. Before I knew I was doing decent enough I ofte got called out on my DRG or Mnk. Now that im Just fine, even if im not the best.

[Reynhart]

Dont think thats even possible.

Don't remember the exact numbers. It just pissed me off because we were still learning the fight...

Just not in a large scale as people claim.

And we don't need to do this "parser or not parser" in a large scale either.

[Seraphix2407]

Don't remember the exact numbers..

Pushing 70% was optimal. Leaving less dps and few mistakes in last phase being high DPS check and you had alot of movent. But if it was for kill I would understand. But training not really. If you were training for next phase its good to start early pushing the dps imo. Getting used to it I mean. Things is there wont be higher % of harrasment even with parser being official. If there was a large scale of harrasment because of parser it would already happen, but its not. Harrasment is harrasment, simple.

Also thordan was a hard primal for a big part of the community, they even mentioned they won't make primals like that ever again. I hope that tells you something.

[WeekendSoja]

snip.

Wow, sure went off your rocker there...I guess the truth hurts when it comes to me observing the apathy video and relating.

This is what we get when we reward the 1995+ generation with participation awards. Hug that trophy for all its worth when you totally missed the point in which I was just stating that the majority is fine 4-man content and SE...as a company needs to side with the majority to make money...screw interpretation skills...who needs that mess (though the picture was painted pretty plainly lmao). Man...is that comment even a reply with a literal reading of my comment...or you just read that with red in your eyes lol

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

I'd certainly ditch this game in a heartbeat. A parser would take away one of the things I enjoy most, number crunching mid fight.

[Seraphix2407]

If people will leave the game if parsers happens, okay your choice. I'm not going to tell you to leave or stay anyways, neither will other people. But if you say you gonna leave because of a parser, that's like saying I'm going to quit the game because I feel harrased by people who go afk in dungeons and 1-2 click their classes. Which we already know happens. Some people's logic is just... yeah.. out of the way. Last 2 pages too, it's like some people argue with themselves and doesn't get the point of others, or simply put words in peoples mouth and just do it, so they can have something to argue about.