Would you like an in-game parser?

[Reynhart]

It's not my problem, but I'm not saying it is either. As has been pointed out numerous times throughout this thread, we do not care about your DPS in a dungeon or other content that doesn't require you to do near optimal DPS. I don't care if you want to rush 4 days when you have a week. I do care if you have 4 days and want to take a week. You keep putting words in pro-parser people's mouths and ignore what they're actually saying.

No, I don't. If I managed to do the content previously, and the corresponding SSS, it means that I can do your week task in a week. If it's a week tast, I don't want you to only give me 4 days to do it.
If content were gated by SSS, then it would be easy to prove that I beat it just by entering, and if you don't see a first time notification, that I already won the content.
So, yes, in that case, I don't want you to bother me with a parser.

Again, we don't prevent you from using your parser for you, you have no authority to enforce that on us.

[Seraphix2407]

What if parser happens, then what?

[Kezy_Kaatapoh]

No, I don't. If I managed to do the content previously, and the corresponding SSS, it means that I can do your week task in a week. If it's a week tast, I don't want you to only give me 4 days to do it.
If content were gated by SSS, then it would be easy to prove that I beat it just by entering, and if you don't see a first time notification, that I already won the content.
So, yes, in that case, I don't want you to bother me with a parser.

Again, we don't prevent you from using your parser for you, you have no authority to enforce that on us.

But I don't care what you're doing as long as we clear. I have yet to see a pro-parser person say they care what you're doing as long as we clear.

You once again have decided my argument for me. The ONLY time I'd bring up the damage you or anyone else is doing is if we're failing because of it. I have made no argument at any point about utilizing a parser to call people out when we're able to clear content, so why are you arguing with me like I have?

[Rawrz]

Just today, I was thinking about how mellow this thread had become. .___. I was wrong.

[Archaell]

Just today, I was thinking about how mellow this thread had become. .___. I was wrong.

Parser threads can never be mellow :3

My personal view point is that because it is impossible to reach any kind of agreement it would be for the best to allow all the players to decide for themselves.

1st. Make the parser a PF option so that people who want to parse would join the parsing groups and people who do not want to parse would join the non-parsing groups.

2nd. Put a checkbox in DF so that the parsing players are matched together and non-parsing players are matched together.

Then everybody can be happy. ^^

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Neither of those options would actually help anything though. At least with df, you'd either have the parsing group opting into the non parsing group if it's faster, or vice versa, and we'll just be in the same place we are currently.

[Archaell]

Neither of those options would actually help anything though. At least with df, you'd either have the parsing group opting into the non parsing group if it's faster, or vice versa, and we'll just be in the same place we are currently.

I don't think so. There would be an important change - having the option to choose.

If the non-parsing Q would be faster - you would join it while knowing you might fail more enrages.

If the parsing Q would be faster - you would join it while knowing people could comment on your dps.

But ultimately it would be on each player's head to decide if the shorter Q is worth the drawbacks which come with it.

[Ghishlain]

Just today, I was thinking about how mellow this thread had become. .___. I was wrong.

/Comfort - silver lining, more exposure. :P

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Currently there's a total of about a dozen pro parser players that I've seen, at least on this thread, that claim what you claim. Unless you want to claim to speak for the vast majority, there's no evidence that's been put forth here that the majority of the pro parser population wouldn't harass and boot others for being a mere 100 DPS short of their exaggerated demands. On the other hand, there's a fair amount of evidence scattered all over the forums that parser data could, and is, abused, on a daily basis. While it's nice to be optimistic and hope that this data would only be used to help, it's much more logical to presume and predict what the worst case scenario would be.

[Kezy_Kaatapoh]

Currently there's a total of about a dozen pro parser players that I've seen, at least on this thread, that claim what you claim. Unless you want to claim to speak for the vast majority, there's no evidence that's been put forth here that the majority of the pro parser population wouldn't harass and boot others for being a mere 100 DPS short of their exaggerated demands. On the other hand, there's a fair amount of evidence scattered all over the forums that parser data could, and is, abused, on a daily basis. While it's nice to be optimistic and hope that this data would only be used to help, it's much more logical to presume and predict what the worst case scenario would be.

There's actually been quite a bit of evidence showing there won't be harassment from instituting an official parser, or at least no noticeable increase in the long run. Yes, there are people who will use it and have used it for abuse, but there's nothing showing that they wouldn't do the same abuse if there was no parser at all. People who belittle people with a parser will belittle you even without one. They'll find a reason to do it. But regardless, reporting is still 100% viable and something that would remain viable were a parser implemented. I'm completely against harassment, but the worst case scenario that's been put forth is mostly unfounded fears, or at least a misunderstanding of the root of harassment.