Would you like an in-game parser?

[Seraphix2407]

One thing I wonder, and I know I'll probably sound like a broken record, but, are those people using SSS already ? That would already allow them to see a small progress for every bit of gear or skill.

I have this BLM friend of mine doing SSS nearly everyday, to optimize his dps, but when we run sephirot with him his dps drops crazy low, at his Ilvl, weapon and gear 1300 is somewhat decent for the BLM. If you are one of the top ones easily 1450 and more. Even if people do SSS or not, the improve needs to be in the actual fight. Myself I rarely do SSS and when I did was just doing it for fun and surprise, i beat the midas 4 savage with 220 weapon and full crafter gear and overmeld. Food and pot was used however for the gearwall to actually manage it. Fun? hell yeah. But I rather practice in a actual fight, and the BLM I speak of is on a ps4 and would love to have his own parser. There is only so much the SSS can do sadly.

[Reynhart]

But I rather practice in a actual fight, and the BLM I speak of is on a ps4 and would love to have his own parser.

I'll keep thinking that the best way to do it it to allow each player the option to show or don't show his/her numbers, so no one can enforce the choice on them.
And strike with a real banhammer those who would use a parser that could bypass this option.

[Lambdafish]

I'll keep thinking that the best way to do it it to allow each player the option to show or don't show his/her numbers, so no one can enforce the choice on them.
And strike with a real banhammer those who would use a parser that could bypass this option.

This goes against your logic to not have numbers, players would be bullied into showing their numbers if your argument is correct. I'm ok with a personal parser to a certain extent, but if it is global it needs to be global, we can't have half and half.

A better idea would be to have a personal parser for all content, and the option of a global parser exclusively for raiding. This could be shown in PF, and can be specified within raid finder, so that everyone is aware.

[Kaurie]

This goes against your logic to not have numbers, players would be bullied into showing their numbers if your argument is correct. I'm ok with a personal parser, but if it is global it needs to be global, we can't have half and half.

Personally, I feel both the half-and-half and personal parser would do little to help the game. Both situations could result in bullying to report numbers, but more importantly the issue of DPS not receiving appropriate feedback wouldn't be addressed. You'd still only have the players who are actively trying to do well opt in to it, with the average player perhaps not even realizing it is an option. What we need is DPS feedback that shows very clearly to DPS when they are performing sub-optimally, because the average player has 0 incentive to improve until they know they are doing poorly.

This really needs to start in the leveling process, when one is learning how to play - so that they can form good habits while they are learning skills. It is detrimental to learn how to use a skill and play a class for hundreds of hours and then find out way in late game that you've been doing it wrong all along. It's hard to break those bad habits.

Again a personal parser, while leveling, wouldn't help as much. When you see that you are doing 50 DPS, you have 0 idea if that is good or not. If you saw that your tank was doing 60, your other DPS doing 120 and you were doing 50 - then you know something is wrong. That said, a personal parser could at least show you how making adjustments to your rotation and skill use affect your DPS, it just won't show if that is actually very good or not.

[Seraphix2407]

I'll keep thinking that the best way to do it it to allow each player the option to show or don't show his/her numbers, so no one can enforce the choice on them.
And strike with a real banhammer those who would use a parser that could bypass this option.

I don't mind to have personal parsers, keep in mind that alone many would love and that's 1 step ahead I guess. However, if its global like Lambdafish mentioned it has to be global. If it happens people want's to hide, which in my opinion is fine by me. However I do find it fishy people would hide. But I also know very well people who know they do good, won't hide their numbers, like some people would actually leave them open so people could tell them how to improve. I look at the positive sides of a parsers, looking at the negative sides is like saying we shouldn't interact with people because yeah, they can be bad, bad as a person for example.

[Lambdafish]

looking at the negative sides is like saying we shouldn't interact with people because yeah, they can be bad, bad as a person for example.

Unfortunately the pandering and fear of upsetting people in the game mechanics is leading to more and more anti-social behavior within the game. People don't feel incentive to work together to beat tough content because the game is turning into a conveyor belt of easy to obtain BiS gear. Which is the mentality I would love to see the game shift away from.

So from my perspective, what you are saying is actually happening, and it is sad.

[Reynhart]

This goes against your logic to not have numbers, players would be bullied into showing their numbers if your argument is correct.

My initial logic is to not focus on numbers. Removing them would be fine, for me, but maybe a little extreme to all of those who like seeing and playing with numbers.
This is a middle ground, because I don't see why we should enforce only one idea on everyone. Like filters, glamour, or hiding helmet, everyone should be able to customize their UI as they want.

Besides, pro-parser defend their idea by saying that having a parser could personaly help a player improve. If that's their real motivation, why would they "bully" someone into showing their numbers ?
And bullying is a valid reason for a report.

However I do find it fishy people would hide.

It's not because I have nothing to hide that I always want to show you.

I look at the positive sides of a parsers, looking at the negative sides is like saying we shouldn't interact with people because yeah, they can be bad, bad as a person for example.

Since there are both positive and negative sides, depending on the person, the day, your mood or whatever, an option could fill any situation. Like sometimes, I like to change my status to busy because I don't want people to bother me. In FFXI, there was the /anon option, to hide your job and level. I also used it to not receive party invitation, and not because my subjob wouldn't be at the appropriate level

[Seraphix2407]

Unfortunately the pandering and fear of upsetting people in the game mechanics is leading to more and more anti-social behavior within the game. People don't feel incentive to work together to beat tough content because the game is turning into a conveyor belt of easy to obtain BiS gear. Which is the mentality I would love to see the game shift away from.

So from my perspective, what you are saying is actually happening, and it is sad.

Problem with this game, it's very linear when it comes to games or raids, even dungeons and trials and so on. They set everyone for 1 spesific way to obtain gear, raids and tomestone capping. However, as you said, you don't want more anti social behavior, it's already happening and for that there are plenty reasons, not just because of parsers. If parsers do happens, yes there can be some people being all crazy about it, but same time I think many would actually use the tool if they had the option for it and improve. Which leads to more people doing more things together that many wished they could do for a long time, but due to not having too many ways to improve there is only so much a person can do. I'm not saying parser is a miracle tool, because it's not, but it's a tool many would love to have. If there is something that can help you out, why not?

@Reynhart I know you wouldn't hide, because you don't have anything to hide. You are confident about it, you are willing to improve, however there are MANY who aren't and they would hide.

[Reynhart]

however there are MANY who aren't and they would hide.

It's still their choice. Only the game can enforce something on them, not the players. The solution is to gate the content more. That's the purpose of "minimum ilvl required", too.

[MeiUshu]

I would remind people that as long as you dont say you use a parser SE doesnt care so people who want one can have it they just have to be silent about it ans draw their conclusions based on their analyze .. dont see the need to have one advertised by SE.