Would you like an in-game parser?

[Reynhart]

Once you know what that optimal rotation is, a parser just tells you how well you're able to execute that rotation in a combat scenario with actual mechanics and things to dodge or moving enemies.

There's more to "how well you're able to execute that optimal rotation in a parser". Once you are level 60, your rotation doesn't change regardless of your gear. For example, if a tank likes to play safe and stack parry (Whatever usefulness it has is another topic entirely), then the parser will show lower numbers compared to other tanks. If that tank managed to beat SSS with that setup and tanks perfectly, then, there is nothing wrong about him. BUT his lower number can harm its progression in a damaged obssessed group.

You know, like back in Novus time, where you were garbage if you didn't speced full Det/Crit even if it cost millions.

Another thing I fear is the dreaded "opener". You see lots of videos showing xxxx DPS opener, with very short duration parse. If, for some reason, your opener is not optimal, people can judge you within a minute of the duty, even before anyone will have the opportunity to deal with any mechanics. And yes, I've seen such "Oh, you're doing xxxx DPS on your opener it's good/bad..."

[Seraphix2407]

Additional to just showing the numbers a performance gauge would be nice, which shows how you perform compared to other players in the same job at the same gear level.

Last few trials I've gotten a few ravanas. Adds did die slow, and we even wiped to it few times. But this is the question, did anyone call their dps out? Nope. I'm pretty sure someone would but no one did. Then the second time I got in ravana It was so bad some people left, I could leave too but I stayed. Did people call their dps out again? Nope. Lazy dps in expert? nope, as long they did fine and not go pure afk it was fine by me. Did I call them out? Nope. Could they done better? Yes, still... people think just because I could run a parser I'm automatic an asshole.

What I've seen a lot is stopping runs because of the DPS issue like "In the end, we'll hit enrage" when most of the team is still learning to deal with mechanics.

Rarely happens to me, happens often when it's a farm group.

[Krissey]

There are more bullies wasting peoples time and effort. Way more people.

How is parser gonna make things worse if people are already that weird on playstyle? So we can offend them more you mean?
Hmm reminds me when I used to be a bad player as well but eventually got told in both shit and good ways and still improved, now people barely talk about it, so whats your excuse then?:/ Ignore the fact you are bad and move on? :/

What are you talking about? I'm pro-parser. I have always been pro-parser. I'm also not bad at the game. I think you got really confused at some point and lost what I was trying to say....

[Reynhart]

Yes, still... people think just because I could run a parser I'm automatic an asshole.

Of course not.

Let's say you're not an asshole. Since you obviously want a parser, let's assume you use one. You see some DPS lacking, but you don't call them out, or if you do, you do that politely. If they give you a parser, it won't change anything for you or for those parsed by you.

Now, let's say you're an asshole (Which you're not, because if you were, we'd probably stopped this discussion a long time ago). You're still under the assumption of using an unofficial parser and you see some DPS lacking. You still don't call them out, because parsing is not officially permitted and you don't want to risk being reported. If they give you a parser, suddenly, you're allowed to express all your asshole-ry on those DPS. That's a change, but not a very nice one, in my opinion

[Seraphix2407]

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Yeah, well I do tell people how they perform if I know them. I rarely do it with randoms and If I do it's being polite. I'm not worried being banned if I'm polite about it. I would worry more about those with bad attitude saying they don't give a damn and having a shitty toxic attitude, those people should worry not me. If anything, there are many people who uses parsers but rarely calls out it out, so if a parser was going to happen officially, I don't think 90% of the community would turn into some jackass.

I think many would finally see why they arent in groups and many would also be super happy about their improvement. Just because few guys been assholes about it, doesn't mean you should outcast the ones who aren't as bad as them. If that's it's all about, then I might as well refuse to help people because there is a big majority that do whatever they want and refused to take help, should they ruin it for everyone who actually want help? Don't think so

What are you talking about? I'm pro-parser. I have always been pro-parser. I'm also not bad at the game. I think you got really confused at some point and lost what I was trying to say....

I just read it all again>> and I feel like a fool hahaha. I'm so sorry. Being half asleep in bed with the laptop doesn't help (which is anwyays a bad excuse) But yeah. I agree with alot of what you said, what I did however was to read it the wrong way. But yeah the toxic already exist so parsers wont make it any worse. So yeah, but my question still goes on, to those who are againt's parsers. Again I'm sorry!

[Krissey]

At the end of the day I'm choosing a job that is known to have the lowest DPS for a main and I'm not worried about it. Why? Because Bard is FUN. I enjoy the songs and the support and using my songs appropriately because support is fun. So even though I'll pull lower numbers than others, and even though I parse and others secretly do too, I'm not worried because songs are fun.

[Lambdafish]

If they give you a parser, suddenly, you're allowed to express all your asshole-ry on those DPS. That's a change, but not a very nice one, in my opinion

The flip side of this is that the parser would be readily available to everyone (my key argument to allow parsers is regarding PS4 players), so the DPS in question would know their DPS ahead of time (hopefully) and can improve based on that. In an ideal world this would radically shift the community mentality to one where we enforce the fact that DPS numbers matter in a game where ultimately DPS NUMBERS DO MATTER.

Bottom line is that we are divided because the game teaches players that they can play how they want and that numbers shouldn't matter, but then enforces the opposite by having DPS checks and strict enrages.

I'm not denying that assholes won't abuse the system, but in my opinion that is better than confusing and misinforming players into a false sense of skill just so they can feel good about themselves, because doing that actually creates more assholes on both sides than allowing a parser.

[Reynhart]

I think many would finally see why they arent in groups and many would also be super happy about their improvement.

One thing I wonder, and I know I'll probably sound like a broken record, but, are those people using SSS already ? That would already allow them to see a small progress for every bit of gear or skill.
And if they don't, is it ignorance or just disinterest ?
And if it's disinterest, would a parser suddenly change that ?

The flip side of this is that the parser would be readily available to everyone (my key argument to allow parsers is regarding PS4 players), so the DPS in question would know their DPS ahead of time (hopefully) and can improve based on that.

They can already roughly judge their DPS. I'm not sure they really need 0.01 precise number to have an idea of their skill range.

[Kaurie]

Let's say you're not an asshole. Since you obviously want a parser, let's assume you use one. You see some DPS lacking, but you don't call them out, or if you do, you do that politely. If they give you a parser, it won't change anything for you or for those parsed by you.

What makes you think that?

They can already roughly judge their DPS. I'm not sure they really need 0.01 precise number to have an idea of their skill range.

They really can't.

[Lambdafish]

They can already roughly judge their DPS. I'm not sure they really need 0.01 precise number to have an idea of their skill range.

Are you referring to SSS or observation? Because SSS is nothing but a baseline checkbox of gear and rotation, it is a drastic improvement over what they had, but when it comes to doing the actual fight then an active readout of your performance is far better in knowing where you went wrong and can help groups identify where they are going wrong not only with rotation, but with mechanics.

I'll use myself as an example. I'm a tank and I'm not a very good DPS. I know my DPS rotations and can clear SSS just fine, but as soon as I'm put under the pressure of the fight, and movement is involved, my parser numbers drop drastically because my rotation is constantly broken and I'm concentrating on mechanics rather than buffs. Basically, the experience is completely different to a static dummy.

In a sense, SSS has actually made it worse by telling me that my DPS is fine and that I'm not the problem, when in reality my parser numbers are actually quite a bit below what they should be to beat the dummy.