Would you like an in-game parser?

[Lambdafish]

I just want to say, I've been playing for years and you're the most toxic person I've seen. Ironic.

Right? I've not seen a single malicious post (though I haven't looked that hard in this thread) from the pro parsers and this crops up. Our argument is to help people, and to eliminate the toxicity that we receive, and yet we are the "self important and arrogant" ones.

[Rawrz]

I just want to say, I've been playing for years and you're the most toxic person I've seen. Ironic.

Right? Being told to go play another game, instead of adding it onto this one, gets old too. Not like I ever played wow and climbed the elitest ranks to become king of the "toxic" players, but that's apparently where I need "to go back to." Even if 2/3 of this forum population is pro parser in some form.

[Krissey]

And for those who keep talking as though there's some mandate that other players must "improve their game to meet your own standards", get the f*** over yourself. Seriously. Your self-importance, arrogance, and sense of authority over how others play are not warranted, nor earned.

Aight bro I'll just spam straight shot for an entire dungeon and nothing else for an entire dungeon and when we barely hit clear it with 2 minutes left let me know how you feel about playing up to standards.

[Ghishlain]

I still find it rather sad that people whom, ostensibly, consider themselves to be at the top of the/their game, doing the hardest content, are so insecure about their ability to play that they require and even demand a security blanket in the form of "numbers!".

It's right up there with people (often from the same group - the so-called, self-declared "top players") who will readily tell others to "learn to play", while they themselves have to rely on guides and videos in order to successfully clear content. The people who make those videos and guides "learned to play" the game. People who learn things through trial and error are "learning to play". Those who can't succeed without using guides/videos aren't "learning". They're mimicking.

FFXIV wasn't designed with parsers in-game. They're not allowed. Yet the content is surmountable without them. People don't need parsers to succeed. They use them as a crutch; a security blanket. And no, saying "well they are needed because people use them!" is not an argument - it's a non-sequitur; it's a freaking stupid argument. Further, Yoshi-P has concerns about their implementation. Those concerns are, again, well founded and supported by the behavior of people who've used them, and the drama they inevitably cause in many MMOs, across many years. This game already has its share of would-be dictators who are just dying to get their hands on data they can openly weaponize to harass/belittle/berate other players, because they've convinced themselves they are the arbiter of how everyone else should be playing. Some are already doing it, even with the unsanctioned parsers already in use. Again, I'm sure Yoshi-P sees this, and it's at least part of what he's concerned about. If some are already being this hostile without an official parser, what the hell is going to happen if he officially makes them okay, and it becomes open season?

I'm sure there are some who truly would only use them for good use, who wouldn't abuse or misuse them or weaponize the data. Those individuals clearly wouldn't be the problem. It's all those others who would do so that are the concern. So, I'll say it again.. if you want to see a more positive point-of-view emerge about parsers and their use, start by shunning, shaming and ostracizing those within your sub-group (pro-parsers) who would abuse/misuse/weaponize them. Don't sit on the sidelines and say "Ohhh... I'm sure it'll be fine. None of that's going to happen". Don't be the kind of person who thinks "well, I guess it's going to happen, but as long as I get my parser numbers, and can see others', then it's worth it. People will just have to learn to deal with it".

And for those who keep talking as though there's some mandate that other players must "improve their game to meet your own standards", get the f*** over yourself. Seriously. Your self-importance, arrogance, and sense of authority over how others play are not warranted, nor earned.

This is rich coming from someone who's writing as though they have authority over the community, an arrogance in their assumptions, and their opinion is valued greater than anyone else who's posted here.

If you had read the thread, you would find many people on this thread do not condone the use of a parser to belittle or harass other members of the community. The main argument against this being most people who would harass another player for "not meeting muh standards" would do so regardless of the fact that they have access to a parser or not.

If the implementation of an official parser also included a standard of DPS acceptance for all content of the game, then S-E would limit the amount of "not meeting muh standard" arguments that hit the table.

Right now the grey area of all the arguments thus far in this thread has been "What is a standard of acceptance". Most of the anti-parser people thinks every single pro-parser person in the thread is going to say "Well it's not up to MY standards so boot for you" which is factually untrue and anyone who speaks in this capacity is undermining their own argument. Likewise any pro-paser poster who thinks every single anti-parser poster is a lazy player who wants to just auto-attack falls into the same category if undermining their own argument. Instead, the context of the argument is more of the fact neither side can agree what is considered "a standard of acceptance" with both sides screaming at extreme examples - both of which are unacceptable to the vast majority of the player base.

BTW, just so you know you're not better than those hardcore extreme pro-parser people either. Just considering this rephrase:

I still find it rather sad that people whom, ostensibly, consider themselves to be at the top of the/their game, doing the hardest content the white knights of the S-E message forums, are so insecure about their ability to play that they require and even demand a security blanket in the form of preventing "numbers!".

Also, you may notice that many posters have explicitly said "report all harassment" and using a parser for harassment purposes is no exception. Example:

They already exist and, in addition, you're free to report [the abuser] for harassing and shaming. I have one but I never harass anyone, even if they're terrible: everyone has to start somewhere afterall, but there are people who will harass them and they existed long ago. And parser users aren't the only players who harass others.

The thing is, abuse will always be abuse. You can and should report it. GMs have been very good from what I've seen at dealing with actual abuse.

The parents (or the GMs in this case) just have to be careful and watch over their children so that nothing bad happens (which means, people that would use the DPS meter to insult/mock players who aren't performing that well should get reported and harshly punished by the GMs).

I want you to start screen-shotting people that harass anyone and report them. Guess what. You got them banned if it was actually harrassment, but 999/1000, no one is going to call someone out on low DPS because of a parser, under threat of harrasment.

I know I've explicitly stated the same multiple times as well.

In short - you may want to reconsider how you approach the community as a whole because your arrogance does nothing but show you as an extreme anti-parser and thus your opinion holds less weight as it's clear where your bias lays.

[LadyCeles]

I dont have a parser and i dont use vids. If u actually think the people who do world first and server first content and make videos dont use parsers you are foolish. How else you think they find out the amount of raidwide damage you need for instances or phases. Ok they might not be needed but there a great tool like i said. If your a type of player that needs to wait for vids and run that way then fine power to you i wont judge. Having the power to know what you and your team is doing, what damage you are taking, the time span of phases is great to know. You shouldnt put people down that are pro parser, its worse then what you claim pro parser people to be. Sad how prissy and sinsitive people get by saying you have low dps. In my raid group if we tell someone there dps is low they improve there rotation and do the research (however it may be) to get it up. Low dps doesnt mean bad player, you can fix dps you cant fix stupid. But any serious savage raid team will have have a parser

[LadyCeles]

Once again. It is a game and you should have fun. No one should be harassed or belittled. Duty finder stuff doesnt need parsers. When i enter duty finder content i dont care how good you are, I just want to get whatever i went in there for. I dont expect you to be good. If its a bad run ohh well. If you seem like you want help getting better ill be happy to help. But if im going to run savage content there better be at least one person parsing. If someone has low dps doesnt make them bad. If they cant dodge or makes the same mistakes over and over again over a long period of time does. You can learn different or modified rotations. If you cant learn mechanics you shouldnt be in that content, but that doesnt mean i dont like you. Most my favorite people are not raid worthy people but i play with them alot and help them get better if they want my help. Some of them get alot better to the point to where they are ready for raid.

[Seraphix2407]

Once again..

Why can't most people understand what you just wrote?!

AAs for 8 tank fights...yes, it would be fun...and doable for some trials. After all, a certain someone here did take part in a 7 PLD 1 SCH Seph EX

Haha! We did 8 war and 8 war bismarck runs. No echo too.

To the other person in here, remove dps check? You must be insane. Then you might as well cast blizzard 1 throughout the fight and ignore the skills you have. Like Alfred once said, some men just want watch the world burn.

[MeiUshu]

not raid worthy people

You judged someone NOT worthy, in essence a piece of s** and you do them a favour in sharing your knowledge with them but you would not play with them other then some unimportant stuff ? congrats new low has been achieved. Everybody has understood you perfectly so dont try to change anything in saying words were taken out of context they are the exact reflection of you what you think.

Thank you for proving what many of us have been saying that this community is NOT mature enough to play with others and why parsers should NEVER BE IMPLEMENTED in this game.

[LadyCeles]

And if you removed dps checks you wouldnt remove parsers. Best mitigation is high dps. If you can clear early and have less phases, less mechanics and less overal damage is best for the team. Less chance of error. A parser will never be not used by a team who is serious

[Jamillion]

I really wish this forum let topic posters lock their own threads.