Would you like an in-game parser?

[Seraphix2407]

Well, I use the word causal, cause I have no other word to use. I do not like things like hardcore, casual, PC master race, or whaever, but I didn't find any other word. With this,I was refering to people who log for a bit, do few dungeons, maybe some other things, they log out for the day. People who does not care about what a DPS is or extreme, or even Alexander normal, they only just want log in, play for fun a while, and that's all. They do roulettes or story dungeons or whatever only. They have another way to play, which is not focusing on battling as other players, but use game for few hours of fun and that. I don't not think correct they can find guy telling this people that his DPS suck and should quit game cause blablabla, you know what I mean. I use the casual word cause I don't

Okay, since you play on same server as I do, do people really go around talk about those who RP and do dungeons and talk about their dps? Highly doubt it. I really do doubt that. But I will say it again, many don't really care about those people and their numbers. You will have bad attitude people no matter what and where you go and whatever game you play, simple. I wont lie, I've seen people say things like ''go quit the game etc'', but let's be honest, where does this hurtful words usually happen at? Extreme primals and raids I can run 1000 dungeons and maybe see 1 guy talk about someone's dps being low, and not gonna lie I've run many roulettes and rarely see it happens and if it does, it's a very small chance of it happening. The real issue are those who play in primal fights and raids who get's that attitude. I know it's too far being rude about it, but when you are doing primals or raids, you are to expected to play well.

Example, I helped my friends doing seph extreme the other day. My friend isn't excactly the best healer, so put him up with a healer who can solo heal would be ideal if he screws up, his friend didn't do high dps, in fact less than my war but we beat it regardles. Now, if he was in a party finder which he have tried for ages but never beat it, it could occur the fact he and his friend was the players who nerfed the group, no? You see when you going to farm content, people expects people to play well, and not get a free ride. If you aren't doing enough, I would kindly ask them to leave on their own and if they have a bad attitude, I ignore it and won't talk to them again, simple. If this was my own static or friend I would help them much as I can. Problem with random people, many take it the wrong way, but I wont say many haven't accepted my help in terms of rotations etc, because many have indeed. I think many here, including yourself, forget the fact we talk about high end content like primals and raids and people have to step up. Barely anyone mention that you have to be top tier dps in roulettes or 24 man raids.

As for the community using parser, rarely see people call it out, and it's very rare. The big picture is there are few of pro-parsers compare to the people who won't get gud. Simple. If you care to join, do things with me and you will see how ''often'' as you or other people say it happens. Most people make it sound like it happens every time they enter a duty. There are more icemages than those who call out and badmouth people

Because lots of mistakes are actually not tied to DPS checks so it would help people to focus on something else.
Your example is a bit biased, since Hummelfaust is really nothing but a DPS check. And for that, SSS is your friend (It's mine, at least)

As for how I'd figure that out, I'd try using words and see how far it'll go.

Haha, true on SSS, that's pretty much the same. So yes, I agree with you there . Mistakes can be mechanics and rotations. Problem is, ''mistakes'' in therm of dps, isn't a mistake when you drop down 500 dps, dropping down 50-100 is however. But about the SSS part and hummelfaust, you are correct, it's pretty much the same there, but want to know the sad part? I've tried to help groups on my own server for it and woah, full 230 gear and can't beat it? I never said anyting about a person's dps was low, I was saying it was just low for the whole group, but to be honest there was a smn doing 1.2k there when he should done atleast 500-600 more with his gear. But did I tell him? Nope, because that's where the problem comes, they gonna get offended if I was gonna offer them a rotation to follow, and that my friend is what many can't figure out how to fix. Kick them? Nope because then you are an asshole (which many in this thread say it is), or you simply have to accept their dps but can't beat it because hes not doing enough. Sometimes I just disband a whole party and re-invite people that did enough in dps and mechanics and find a replacement for the one who couldn't, this is to avoid to make them feel bad for being behind on the dps check. I know it's a bit harsh but rather do that then tell them they are low on dps and it might hurt their feelings (tbh, which it shouldn't because I feel like I'm a very forgiving guy and would do anything to help that person out) but since many (sadly) gets offended I won't do anything about it. Just being honest. If there was anything that could make them feel less offended, that be great. I think most people would actually adjust themselves on their own if they actually had a tool to begin with, many people fix their own problem, whatever that could be, because they KNOW. For certain if I know/knew I was a screw up in anything and saw it with my own eyes from the very beginning, I would start fix myself than anything.

[Reynhart]

I never said anyting about a person's dps was low, I was saying it was just low for the whole group, but to be honest there was a smn doing 1.2k there when he should done atleast 500-600 more with his gear.

That's why the most important skill in this game...is diplomacy...and why I mostly play with my FC.

The way I see it, if people get offended because you point some of their flaws, even in the most polite way, then parsing them, or telling them to parse themselves will offend them. Anf if they want to improve, they'll find their way with whatever they have, be it an unofficial personal parser, or SSS.

Again, there's no reason to make a poll on that, because a poll means some kind of minority vs majority, whereas each player should be able to chose their personal way of improving.

[Seraphix2407]

That's why the most important skill in this game...is diplomacy...and why I mostly play with my FC.

The way I see it, if people get offended because you point some of their flaws, even in the most polite way, then parsing them, or telling them to parse themselves will offend them. Anf if they want to improve, they'll find their way with whatever they have, be it an unofficial personal parser, or SSS.

Again, there's no reason to make a poll on that, because a poll means some kind of minority vs majority, whereas each player should be able to chose their personal way of improving.

Many times I've helped people who have accepted and it's seriously a great feeling they come back to me super happy knowing they do so much better. Like this DRG did 1.200 on faust in alex 1 savage, helped them out with rotation and it incrased to 1400 or more.

#Datfeeling they come back jumping at me being all happy!. I own my FC and we have so many people who was even afraid doing normal midas because they thought they would screw up on mechanics, so I changed their mind and let them tag along and they did good! Of course their dps could been higher but then again myself and other in FC who does savage didn't or never ever expected them to be top or the best. We simply help them out with it. For those who doesn't do savage in my fc they are fine too, we don't care about their dps, much as many peopel don't care about people's dps outside hard raids. Keep in mind, even if you and I disagree on many points through out the thread, doesn't mean we can't be friends and that's what I also dislike with people having bad attitude towards getting better. They are just doing their own thing and won't care about others. Seing their own reality might give them that kick on their butt to see why people tried to help them in the first place.

To every player in this thread, who it be on ps4 or pc and want to improve and want a parser simply because of that, cheers! I salut people who want to improve and it doesn't matter if they are on ps4 or pc, what I won't support are people who refuses and to me they are just a big bag of bad seed's towards me. If you are one of them, you aren't excactly better than those who are assholes.

[Cherie]

So much discussion in this thread! It's almost like there is a huge majority in opposition to parsers!

But wait, the vote at the beginning!... It shows a overwhelming majority would like to have a parser in some form. 5/6 of votes are for a parser in some form and 1/6 against any parser (as of time writing). I must comment that there is not a vote for "don't care either way" however.

What does this all mean? It is most curious! Does it mean instead there is a very vocal minority against parsers? I would like to know the answer! Why are they so vocal? What is it about parsers that makes that minority discuss it so much?

I know I don't get any say either way as far as if there is a parser in this game. But I find these threads so curious. I never really thought any change in this game was so earth shattering that I'd have to be concerned so much. What makes this minority so worried to have to discuss it so much? Maybe if the game was going to go free to play, then I'd be a bit concerned. I saw that happen to Rift and it made me sad. Anything else that can happen is just whatever to me.

[Nicobo]

Dear YoshiP,

Everyone knows the top RAIDERS you love using parser.
Please share your love to everyone by giving us official parser (DPS Meter). It is mandatory.

I don't want to use those officially disallowed, unofficially allowed, use as your own risk, but don't tell others..etc 3rd party tool,
it comes with too many unbelievable value added features,
and that's why many ppl don't want to see official parser bcoz now they have a VALID reason to use those PRO tools.

[Voltyblast]

What does this all mean? It is most curious! Does it mean instead there is a very vocal minority against parsers? I would like to know the answer! Why are they so vocal? What is it about parsers that makes that minority discuss it so much?

Well for starters we don't really know if that's a minority or not, since that a lot of players don't come over the forums to discuss things, so most of these information are not 100% accurate.

Still the "issue" is that parsers for them could cause toxicity because other games did it and ruined their community, while others say the opposite and show that recounts/parsers were only a minor part of the community being ruined, but for me it's more about "fear" because people already dismiss this topic (and any possible topic really) even before discussing the possible benefits. Because there are benefits on knowing your own damage.

Yet if people are so afraid of trying out though this discussion will go endlessly. On my behalf, parser helped me to realize my dps potential and it truely changed my gamestyle right now, to the point that I went full dps because now I enjoy it.
It is true that parsers could cause toxicity, but you can bet that parser is probably the -last- of the reasons that could cause it.

[Reynhart]

It is true that parsers could cause toxicity, but you can bet that parser is probably the -last- of the reasons that could cause it.

You're right about that...but since we already have all the other reasons in the game, do we really need to add that one ?

[Rawrz]

You're right about that...but since we already have all the other reasons in the game, do we really need to add that one ?

You know what makes me feel toxic? Having to ask someone for my Parse on content.

[Seraphix2407]

You're right about that...but since we already have all the other reasons in the game, do we really need to add that one ?

You know what makes me feel toxic?! 1-2 guy is in a party ''knows'' the fight but doesn't pull enough dps to make it out of enrage, then you try to help and I'm being called names like elitist, asshole, jerk etc you name it ;(.

[LadyCeles]

Yes. To prevent bullying u can make it just for savage content where it is needed. The training dummies was a step in the right direction. I dont think there should be one in any df content. To many people would use it to bully someone who is just on to have fun and not have a high skill level or knowlage of the game