Would you like an in-game parser?

[Ghishlain]

Random stat breakdown time (take with a grain of salt as this a small and limited sample size):

Total Votes as of May 16th, 2016 - 1221 EST (thread approximately going for 10 days - can be skewed as posters can vote for multiple options)
Total Vote - 306 Votes
No Parser - 50 Votes (16.34%)
Yes, Group Parser - 156 Votes (50.98%)
Yes, Personal Parser - 100 Votes (32.68%)

No VS Yes, Group Parser
Total Vote - 206 Votes
No Parser - 50 Votes (24.27%)
Yes, Group Parser - 156 Votes (75.73%)


No VS Yes, Personal Parser
Total Vote - 150 Votes
No Parser - 50 Votes (33.33%)
Yes, Personal Parser - 100 Votes (66.67%)

Yes, Group Parser VS Yes, Personal Parser
Total Vote - 256 Votes
Yes, Group Parser - 156 Votes (60.94%)
Yes, Personal Parser - 100 Votes (39.06%)

[Seraphix2407]

Definitely yes. It would work too as a sort of incentive to play dungeons properly, because I see very often people semiafking on them due to how easy they are, and this game is either getting stomped in coil/alexander or breezing through dungeons while watching Netflix. Whole game has become a farm glamour/ponies/cards/colorful birds... I don't like it very much how very little focus there is on playing a job well or help you improving. And let's not kid ourselves... this affects mostly PS4 players, most PC players have parsers.

True that, I'm glad myself and others do ask pc players for our performance and when I switched to pc many ask me as well. However I do toogle between those 2 platforms and I still ask people if I don't use it.

[CGMidlander]

A group parser would mean Astros have less of a reason to waste their Balances on the weakest DPS in the group >_>

[LaylaTsarra]

Total Votes arbitrarily assuming 50% of the Personal Parser population voted both Parser options[/B][/U]

You really are pretty desperate aren't you to fudge the numbers. ASSUMING 50 PERCENT VOTED BOTH PARSER OPTIONS? Really.

The vote is as follows:

50 No parser wanted
101 Personal parser only -- the question clearly asked Yes, but I would only like a personal in game parser.
159 group parser

That is approximately 50 percent AGAINST GROUP PARSERS. Stop already trying to fudge the numbers.

[Rawrz]

You really are pretty desperate aren't you to fudge the numbers. ASSUMING 50 PERCENT VOTED BOTH PARSER OPTIONS? Really.

The vote is as follows:

50 No parser wanted
101 Personal parser only -- the question clearly asked Yes, but I would only like a personal in game parser.
159 group parser

That is approximately 50 percent AGAINST GROUP PARSERS. Stop already trying to fudge the numbers.

*kills myself for saying "You can vote more than one"* I WAS ON A FIVE MINUTE BREAK FROM WORK FORGIVE ME Q.Q

[LaylaTsarra]

*kills myself for saying "You can vote more than one"* I WAS ON A FIVE MINUTE BREAK FROM WORK FORGIVE ME Q.Q

Yeah you are killing yourself. What is it about your question that is ambiguous? Yes, but I would ONLY like a personal in game parser.

[Khemorex]

well if we talk Numbers now ok ^^

if i have it right from the last unofficial census there is around 400k players on the NA/EU Data-centers.
so 300 votes are like hmm approximately 0,01 % :P

[Ghishlain]

You really are pretty desperate aren't you to fudge the numbers. ASSUMING 50 PERCENT VOTED BOTH PARSER OPTIONS? Really.

The vote is as follows:

50 No parser wanted
101 Personal parser only -- the question clearly asked Yes, but I would only like a personal in game parser.
159 group parser

That is approximately 50 percent AGAINST GROUP PARSERS. Stop already trying to fudge the numbers.

It's funny how you DID NOT pick up on the fact I made the exact same statistical calculation on my previous data collection given the long chain of comments we had. lol~

You know why I made that statistical analysis? It's because the OP (Rawrz) made note that you can vote for more than one. This implies that some people may like to have both options available - a personal parser or a group parser.

You know what, I'll just ask it straight.

Rawrz, are you okay with posters voting for both a personal parser and a group parser?

If the OP is okay with that, then the context of his poll is clear and you have no ground to stand on with your comment.

If he doesn't want posters to choose multiple options, then I'll gladly remove the analysis from my post. No skin off my back.

With that being said, neither of us have the right to speak on the OPs behalf so it's probably best to just ask for clarity on the point.

I'm not even sure what you think I'm trying to fudge either. I implied at the very beginning of our comment chain back on page 18 that the forum community would like to see a way to measure their DPS. REGARDLESS OF HOW ITS IMPLEMENTED.

Can't you see the fact that approximately 83% of the community current respondents [edit: this sounds better actually] (assuming no voters are voting twice) WANT A TOOL TO GAUGE THEIR DPS?

Whether a group measuring tool or an individual measuring tool should be implemented is still up for debate but AGAIN, THIS DEBATE HAS NO BEARING ON THE CONTEXT OF MY INITIAL POST YOU ARGUED ON.

...do you understand yet? Or you going to continue to cherry pick specific comments in my posts just to suit your own rhetoric? Your move, you can show you're a better person and actually understand what the person you're trying to argue with is saying instead of completely missing the point.

Here's the quote again that sparked our discussion chain just for context:

I continue to be surprised that the "No" vote continues to remain as low as it is despite how many people are seemingly opposed to parsers, though that's probably confirmation bias on my own part too.

Not anywhere in my comment do I mention anything about group parser, I just make a comment about parsing in general. No comment or context here about personal or group measuring devices.

[LaylaTsarra]

Seems to me the playerbase has done just fine without a Parser all this time. After all, every new dungeon, quest, trial, etc introduced - whether normal, hard, or savage, has been cleared, has it not?

Seems to me people are doing just fine without parsers to tell them what they already know - that they're doing sufficient output, and dancing to the mechanics sufficiently to defeat the content. But that's not enough. There's gotta be NUMBERS!

The SSS is clearly demonstrating to them exactly what they already want to know: Are they geared and performing sufficiently to handle related content. If they clear the SSS, then the definitive answer to that is "Yes, you are capable of clearing that content. Your Damage output and/or rotation are sufficient. You would have failed otherwise". But that's not enough. There's gotta be NUMBERS!

And further still, it's not enough - for some - to only see their own numbers. They already know they're awesome. No no... they have to see others' numbers, too. They want ALL THE NUMBERS!! Why? So they can lord over those whose NUMBERS!! don't match their own, or meet their own personal "standard" of what others "are required to meet". So they can berate all those "n00bs" and "bads" and "filthy casuals" for daring to exist in their game.

And to those saying "no no.... that totes won't be abused in FFXIV. It's all for the good of the players!" - you're either very new to MMOs, or you're a liar. Straight up.

People being arrogant pricks, mocking, berating and kicking others over "poor dps numbers" has been happening for years now, across numerous MMOs. People have been obsessed with NUMBERS! for a long time, and it's been well discussed and debated. Among others, it's one of the main reasons why so many are against them. It turns your standard garden variety elitist prick into an elitist prick who feels justified in behaving that way, because they have "data" to fling around as ammunition... data which others in their group may not give a crap about (they're just trying to enjoy their time in-game), but have to hear about anyway, because it's all about 'NUMBERS!'.

The same debate happens in every MMO, and the same arguments for it come up, for and against. You could almost copy and paste any thread from any MMO, replace the name of the MMO with "FFXIV", and you'd have a near duplicate.

What it seems to boil down to, to me, is that some people are just seriously obsessed - as in literally obsessed - with numbers. And it's nothing new.

Clearly, Yoshi-P is aware of the crap attitudes parser data encourages in a MMO community, and he does not want to see nor enable it in XIV. He's a MMO vet, himself, and has certainly seen a fair share of such behavior in his day. Yes, they are going to allow people to create their own parsers once player addons become possible - but I wouldn't be at all surprised to find access to certain data to be very limited, or rules enforced to punish those who use such data to abuse/harass other players.

As I've said before... No one *needs* an official parser. Certain people - those obsessed with NUMBERS! - just really really want one.

And I do believe this post deserves mentioning again given it's gotten buried in this thread.

QFT

[Ghishlain]

And I do believe this post deserves mentioning again given it's gotten buried in this thread.

QFT

You do realize that by quoting this post, and based on your comments on this thread, you've basically proven that you are as militantly opposed to parsing and there is not a single reason to try to have a reasonable debate with you ever again?

It's fairly clear that no one will ever be able to sway your opinion and you'll just continue to attack without reason.