Would you like an in-game parser?

[KarstenS]

Maybe they should stop designing game mechanics around arbitrary DPS requirements? Just a thought.

Tanks have to know their class very good or they die.

Healers have to know their class very good or all die.

Why should damage dealers be the one role, that don't have to know their class?

The onliest way to check out if a damage dealer has understood the class are: DPS checks. And these have to be on a similar skill level as tank and healer skill checks.

[Reynhart]

Tanks have to know their class very good or they die.

To the point where, to clear content, every tank had to withdraw their tank stance as much as possible, avoid any tank stats back when it didn't increase their DPS. So, basically, anything but tanking.

Healers have to know their class very good or all die.

So, from now on, you're a bad healer if you don't pop Cleric Stance the second no one needs healing, even if you didn't let anyone die or keep a bad status effect during the whole fight. So, again, a thing that as nothing to do with healing

Why should damage dealers be the one role, that don't have to know their class?

There is a difference between "not knowing your class" and being 10% below perfection, which in these days, means you're absolute garbage. Even if you're avoiding every mechanics so that you'll go easy on your healers. Black Mages are even encouraged to stay in AoE if avoiding means lowering your DPS by a tiny bit. So, if you do anything that is not DPSing, there you're bad.

The worst part, of course, is that this mentality has poisoined every party for every content, even though thoses 10% are actually meaningless for most content. And now that people think like that, there is no going back.

And these have to be on a similar skill level as tank and healer skill checks.

And, by the way, tanking checks are ridiculously low compared to DPS check.

[KarstenS]

There is a difference between "not knowing your class" and being 10% below perfection, which in these days, means you're absolute garbage.

Its not about the "10%". For Midas Savage you need around 70% of what is possible, maybe less. But there are so many people, which are far away from being at 70%. Without knowing the numbers, you will never know where you need to improve. Without knowing what exactly went wrong, you can't make any progress.

And, by the way, tanking checks are ridiculously low compared to DPS check.

Outside Savage: Yes.

Inside Savage: No.

Its not a good idea to talk about tank and heal checks, when you have never done content where it does matter. Yes, outside of Savage (and maybe Ex Primals in the first week after release) there is no content where tank and healer skills get checked. But in Savage you would be surprised, how much you have to do in these roles to sucessfully beat it at the end.

[Seraphix2407]

Its not about the "10%". For Midas Savage you need around 70% of what is possible, maybe less. But there are so many people, which are far away from being at 70%. Without knowing the numbers, you will never know where you need to improve. Without knowing what exactly went wrong, you can't make any progress.

Or those with ilvl 230 cant pass faust. Honestly even if you pass SSS, doesn't really mean anything when you have to deal with mechanics as well. Specially on classes like where you need to keep stacks up or movement like brd, mch and BLM have.

[Reynhart]

Its not about the "10%". For Midas Savage you need around 70% of what is possible, maybe less. But there are so many people, which are far away from being at 70%. Without knowing the numbers, you will never know where you need to improve. Without knowing what exactly went wrong, you can't make any progress.

Two things can go wrong. Either your rotation, or the mechanics. If it's the mechanics, it's pretty easy to see where you screwed. And if it's your rotation, you just need to train againt Stone, Sky and Sea until you clear it easy. And none of this requires actual numbers. And again, I trained without a parser and ended with actual good numbers when I've been parsed in content.

Outside Savage: Yes.

I've done A1S as a tank and as a DPS. The two checks are nowhere on par. In every content if look at, tank rotation is set in stone. There is no randomness. It's basically why tanks pack the most attack power they can, and can stance dance that much.

If a DPS knows they need 1,200 DPS to perform and are only capable of 800 at this time, then objectively they have to find ways to optimize themselves to reach that goal and it would be clear cut. Of course having these numbers is just only one part of the equation.

Ok, then, tell me what you would do for such a DPS if you end with it in your party ? Will you look at its rotation during the fight, and tell him how and when he can improve ? Would you kick him, even with proper explanation, because he can't meet your requirement ?

[Seraphix2407]

Maybe they should stop designing game mechanics around arbitrary DPS requirements? Just a thought.

why? Then dps doesn't need a rotation and dps is no longer a dps? Faceroll stuff? No thanks.

[Reynhart]

why? Then dps doesn't need a rotation and dps is no longer a dps? Faceroll stuff? No thanks.

So no hard DPS requirement is faceroll stuff ?
Where were you during Turn 5 and Turn 9 ?

[Seraphix2407]

So no hard DPS requirement is faceroll stuff ?
Where were you during Turn 5 and Turn 9 ?

Keep in mind I was one of the first to beat those on my server. Still dps check. Many failed on snakes and even adds in t9. Yes also seen enrage in those because people couldnt do it

[Seraphix2407]

Dunno how to edit on phone, but if there is No dps check. Do you want people to run like headles chicken and do mechanics and barely do dps? The mechanic and dps check are there for a reason.

[Reynhart]

Dunno how to edit on phone, but if there is No dps check. Do you want people to run like headles chicken and do mechanics and barely do dps? The mechanic and dps check are there for a reason.

This forum is still as extreme as ever...
You either have "really hard DPS requirement" or "DPS running like headless chickens"...you know about this thing called "middle ground" ?

By the way, yes, people did fail on snakes or adds in T9...after many many tries wiping to conflag, divebomb, heavensfall.., dead members on mechanics that you had to raise in a weakened state, etc...no just because they didn't do the perfect rotation for their job.