Would you like an in-game parser?

[Destous]

The fact that they already have a method for disabling parsers and they don't choose to use it speaks volumes about SE's stance on parsers in PVE. I really think at this point it's a matter of them ensuring that users across all platforms can get the same experience before they release some form of parser.

This is a bit silly. Are they trying to keep the skill ceiling for PvP deliberately low? I can't imagine trying to do arena in WoW without Proximo. 3rd party tools to track battle log info for PvP is a staple for MMOs with PvP. If a program is offering other information, like player position, why not just state that the specific software does violate the ToS, and issue bans for using it?

[Pells]

This is a bit silly. Are they trying to keep the skill ceiling for PvP deliberately low? I can't imagine trying to do arena in WoW without Proximo. 3rd party tools to track battle log info for PvP is a staple for MMOs with PvP. If a program is offering other information, like player position, why not just state that the specific software does violate the ToS, and issue bans for using it?

Because they can be the same program, and SE can't tell from their end which do and which don't without violating some rather serious privacy issues. The logs aren't being used by parsers; they are either reading information directly from memory, or intercepting the data packets. This is because not all combat information is posted to the logs, most notably dot ticks. It's not a big stretch to go from reading damage from memory to reading enemy (pc or npc) positions. In fact, there were threads when hunts were new about just this: some parsers were giving people an in-game advantage by detecting hunt targets before players could actually see them.

[Seraphix2407]

some parsers were giving people an in-game advantage by detecting hunt targets before players could actually see them.

I haven't heard about any parser doing that. I used to play on ps4 till I changed to pc recently, however. That thing you speak of is not really a parser, but rather a program that scans for you and look for info around you. It's like a widescan ability and you can see where hunts are, is from what I heard. I know FFXI had something similar in terms of scanning and could even teleport there direcently, but I don't think anyone is that stupid doing it in this game, but scanning? Heard soo much about it and was quite annoying finding out people did.

On topic, that however has nothing to do with parser, if anyone want's to use that as a legit reason why parser shouldn't be in game.

[Rawrz]

Damn these votes are so stable. Always 1:3 non vs parser and 2:3 just want a personal. Lol

[Crysten]

I believe the parser issue was genuinely solved up until the point that Yoshi-P decided that Stone, Sky, Sea shouldn't a mandatory thing. It may well prevent new/bad players from feeling pressure and stress to play the game to an acceptable standard, but I don't think he realises just how stressful it can be to play with genuinely awful players in the DF on EU/NA serves.

I may be being far too cynical, but I've come to the conclusion the whole parser debate is completely worthless - bads will always be bads, people will continue to give overly extreme arguments for both sides, and people that genuinely want to use parsers for progression are already using them.

The dead horse has been flogged so much on this topic I'm sure we've had to find another dead horse to replace the original one.

[KaijinRhada]

The dead horse has been flogged so much on this topic I'm sure we've had to find another dead horse to replace the original one.

Nah, the culmination of dead horses has to be turned into glue, no traces of the corpses shall remain! It's like one of the hallmark threads; you have glamour threads, screenshots threads, show off your character threads, and this fills the quota of DPS argument threads.

Joking aside, I find it kind of sad that when people ask me what is a prominent characteristic of the FFXIV general forums would be, DPS meter debates come to mind they happen so often.

[papichulo123]

i dont understand why people would be against this why? makes no sense

[Jynx]

i dont understand why people would be against this why? makes no sense

People have been posting their opinion on the topic for 30 some pages and you don't understand why?

Be a man at least and admit people have real reasons they feel parser do nothing to really add to the game. I don't care much either way but would prefer them to not be included. If I had to give a reason i'd say it's because I would prefer the developers not have be forced to design encounters around DPS meters and Dead Boss Mod style add-ons.

[Reiryuu]

Do I want a parser? No.
Why? I wouldn't really use it. The attitude and discrimination I hear all the time from my LS mates who participate in the higher end content raids turn me off from them,and when I did participate in them, I saw the attitude there as well from others in PF/DF. It bothers me so I distance myself from it. I don't need a parser for the low-mid tier content that I do participate in.

Do I mind if people have a parser to make themselves better? No, by all means. Have at it. Isn't that why they made SSS?

Do I think that people should have a parser to judge others? No. I think it would make things worse than they already are if SE decides to say, "Now it's OK to discriminate against people based on numbers alone."

I just wish there were a way to find a happy medium between balls crushing and need these numbers NAO!11!! I heard Midas: Savage was better, but... I've just stopped caring about that kind of content. Maybe if I had a group of people who were actually fun to raid with.

[Lemuria]

Maybe they should stop designing game mechanics around arbitrary DPS requirements? Just a thought.