Would you like an in-game parser?

[Krissey]

I've seen it happen to others and heard about it happening in FC/LS chat on Masamune when I moved there from Balmung (live in Taiwan so the lag to the US servers is killer). I since moved to Valefor to avoid that crowd (to which I was exposed to a lot on Masamune from PF to DF) and I still hear it happening a few times on Valefor too from LS members who do that sort of content. Though the Japanese players apparently have a 4chan (or 2chan... I didn't pay much attention since I don't do that stuff anymore) thread about bad players and people to blacklist from raiding.

Though the majority of players put there are described as 地雷 (basically land mines-- they fail mechanics often, etc. I'm not sure if there's anything about bad dps)

They have bad DPS because they fail mechanics. A dead DPS does no DPS.

[LaylaTsarra]

For all the bad things you suggest would happen should an in-game parser be introduced (and from which I infer you think is not currently the case)... half the playerbase ALREADY use a parser, and none of these things happen

Do you care to provide a link to justify that statement, Randy, or is that another LETS ASSUME what everyone does. The raiding community isn't anywhere near half the community and I'd venture to guess it's actually a very small part of it. The parser crowd needs to step back and stop thinking they are the game, they aren't. Most people I would suspect don't even know what a parser is let alone have one or want one. But then again I have to be careful and qualify that cause it's MY OPINION and I don't want to assume it's true like some here LOVE TO DO.

Lets massage the truth to fit in with our personal agenda after all it's a forum and what is posted here HAS TO BE TRUE, right?

[randysquirrel]

Do you care to provide a link to justify that statement...

Apologies, you are quite right. I meant in the context that half the playerbase are on pc and can use a parser, half of us are on ps3/4 and cannot. But even this I cannot justify, as I don't know the % split between the platforms.

I will make sure I carry out detailed research before I post again, and not assume people will not wilfully misinterpret my comments.

Back on topic, I'd like a parser simply as a QOL improvement in that I don't have to keep asking people what my numbers were. I wouldn't care if people can see my numbers, as some can already anyway. I doubt SE will comply though, as has been revealed in this thread, a number of people are staunchly opposed to having their numbers scrutinised.

It's not the end of the world if they don't, we will just continue with the tools currently available. It's just an inconvenience

[LaylaTsarra]

Apologies, you are quite right. I meant in the context that half the playerbase are on pc and can use a parser, half of us are on ps3/4 and cannot. But even this I cannot justify, as I don't know the % split between the platforms.

I will make sure I carry out detailed research before I post again, and not assume people will not wilfully misinterpret my comments.

Back on topic, I'd like a parser simply as a QOL improvement in that I don't have to keep asking people what my numbers were. I wouldn't care if people can see my numbers, as some can already anyway. I doubt SE will comply though, as has been revealed in this thread, a number of people are staunchly opposed to having their numbers scrutinised.

It's not the end of the world if they don't, we will just continue with the tools currently available. It's just an inconvenience

I appreciate that.

Yet I would also say you can't assume half the player base on PC uses parsers either Randy. Could be only 5 percent? What makes you think that is so? Do you have objective data to prove that statement? You could say I would venture to guess that it's true, but then again, you really don't know and neither does anyone else here know the numbers. Perhaps SE has a way of knowing, I really don't know.

I've made my feelings known on parsers. I would not be personally opposed to a personal parser if one were to be implemented but am totally against to having one in game for group evaluation for normal content. Perhaps there are exceptions as some have suggested where parsers could be implemented for raid content only as a choice but to have them available in DF forget it. I would venture to guess that some parser users have their parsers open in duties like Satasha Baby. Seriously, when numbers become the game as opposed to simply enjoying the content with others there is a problem.

[Seraphix2407]

Now, think on the casual palyers, This ones can improve, but some of the, just no, doesn' have time or they jsut want run a dungeon and do others things. This casualsprobably will rerepsent the 50% of the total players. Do you think is a good idea harras them in this way? If they see the game turn into a DPS race, they probalby won't continue playing. THat's less moeny for FFXIV. Guess who will pay the consequences and who will lose content...

I simply don't like the word elitist or casual, even that I've used the words few times in my post in this thread, just because people use them so they know who I talk about. I have people who study, works and do gym everyday. I have people who play 3 hours a day and study and do other stuff rest of the day? Does that mean they are casual? Keep in mind these players I talk about have beaten midas savage 1-2-3 hell even some beat m4. Some of them only log on to raid and that's it and raid days? My own group we do it 2-3 hours a day for 2-3 days a week. Because we simply have our own things to do to, but we are on midas 4 savage. Does this mean I'm casual? Because last time I checked beating savage (from what MOST people say) I'm a hardcore player, I'm hardcore for beating hard content. Nope nope. And then you have those who barely does battle content on my server and everyone on my server knows who and they know why they don't do it. RP, using the game as facebook/skype, crafting, vanity etc, you name it. Then you have these players who are logged on MORE than me? So they are hardcore because they log on more than me? As you mentioned they do few dungeons then do other stuff. We all know ''casuals'' represent a high majority of the playerbase, but also we know raiding scene isn't that big in this game either but there are serval reasons for that, because the game isn't built to have the biggest end game sceene either, due to lack of money to make the content and who know's they might keep it this way to focus on ''casuals''.

Anyways my point is, many people including myself don't care who RP, uses the game as a chat program or simply just won't do battle content, which I'm PRETTY sure many doesn't care about either.
I'm only mention those who actually wanna do primals or savage but can't pull their class/job off. There is this person who got into raiding midas savage 2 weeks ago. She works alot, needs to take care of her own mom, wake up super early everyday. Guess what, she beat midas 1 in a few days being only on for max 6 hours a week. 6 HOURS?!?!?!?.

I don't think putting a parser in game is not gonna make it worse for those who doesn't even do battle content or rarely do them as you mentioned. This game is even far from being a heavy battle content game anwyays. It's the same thing, weekly stuff>cap>log out. This game has much more focus on many other things which myself and very, very, very many likes to have in game. Even the top raiders or midicore ones just do weekly kills or some progression of they still on it then log out. Saying it will happen again, parser making the game worse like every other MMO is , to be honest bit silly.
I never played WoW and keep in mind that game is heavy on parsers and the game is still floating it's way. Maybe it's not good as it used to be due to content or how they deal with things? But I know for sure many still play it these days. That's like saying you are to expected bad players because 50% of the players are being bad in other MMO's. Which goes back to why we want a parser, since it will improve players. How can people fear of something when majority here even say they are doing good, but are afraid of it? To me it makes no sense. Hell there are people who post on reddit or here who even say they have to improve but it's hard to know when they are in actual CONTENT DOING A FIGHT, who would love a parser. What about those? You want them to stay on that level? Because I'm pretty sure and aware a huge part of the community would love to improve how they play. Isn't that why most play the game for? Be good at it?
And no money for content? Barely been any battle content, so I wouldn't worry about parser taking over the game, if I were you.

Sorry for the long reply.

Edit. And I just noticed we are on the same sever. Go to limsa and see who sits there 24-7 doing RP or just use the game as a chatbox. No one cares about those people because none of them do battle content. EVERY server has those players and no one care's about their numbers because they don't do any of it or just barely. Saying people would harrash them because of a parser, is something I dislike to see. I know many of them and I don't bother talk to them about battle content or even raids, because they have no interest for them, so please don't say people will turn into assholes to those people because of a parser and you know very well it's true.

edit: Haha, I just noticed you are in the Owl's FC in the same ward as mine

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Love this post, it's pretty good. I have to agree to it. Problem is as you mentioned, you can't say people are doing low before it's a harrasment. You have to sshh shh about it. Having a offical parser it would easier and better for players to discuss about the matter, rather than being quiet about it. I rarely want to call out out, unless I know the person wouldn't get offended by me saying ''hey your dps is low, may I help you'' In fact I've gotten reported for that. So I need to be quiet about it sadly.

[Xlantaa]

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Well, I use the word causal, cause I have no other word to use. I do not like things like hardcore, casual, PC master race, or whaever, but I didn't find any other word. With this,I was refering to people who log for a bit, do few dungeons, maybe some other things, they log out for the day. People who does not care about what a DPS is or extreme, or even Alexander normal, they only just want log in, play for fun a while, and that's all. They do roulettes or story dungeons or whatever only. They have another way to play, which is not focusing on battling as other players, but use game for few hours of fun and that. I don't not think correct they can find guy telling this people that his DPS suck and should quit game cause blablabla, you know what I mean. I use the casual word cause I don't know how refer them.

In my opinion, I think they shoulnd't suffer the consequences of a bad use of DPS. That's all. That's why I support a personal, high level content parser or preformed party parser only, and keep them away for the low level tier, which I think is not necesary here.

Like I said, if everyone uses it to help other instead of blaming or use it as kicking/discard tool, I will sign myself with blood if necesary for a parser, becaue yes, I want it, (ATC can crash my game cause my PC is shit). But like I said, before, the community need still to mature a lot, to know when they should use it and when not, how use it and which who person. I still consider the comminuty who is reponsible enough to use it in a good way too few compared with the careless(in the way "I don't mind insult you")/asshole community.

I agree with you and the others who support a parser. It can help to improve the player base DPS, but I still fear on the bad use of it. I just don't want give a gun to a monkey (if that expresion have a meaning in english lol, it is a spanish expression) If people can use it in a responsible way, we don't need to worry about and the parser will be safe (not all players,that impossible, but the majority of them). But, you and me, and others here who will not use it in a stupid way are too few compared with all the community.


PD: Yeah, I see you guys around sometimes in Mist :P

[Seraphix2407]

Well, I use the word causal, cause I have no other word to use. I do not like things like hardcore, casual, PC master race, or whaever, but I didn't find any other word. With this,I was refering to people who log for a bit, do few dungeons, maybe some other things, they log out for the day. People who does not care about what a DPS is or extreme, or even Alexander normal, they only just want log in, play for fun a while, and that's all. They do roulettes or story dungeons or whatever only. They have another way to play, which is not focusing on battling as other players, but use game for few hours of fun and that. I don't not think correct they can find guy telling this people that his DPS suck and should quit game cause blablabla, you know what I mean. I use the casual word cause I don't

Okay, since you play on same server as I do, do people really go around talk about those who RP and do dungeons and talk about their dps? Highly doubt it. I really do doubt that. But I will say it again, many don't really care about those people and their numbers. You will have bad attitude people no matter what and where you go and whatever game you play, simple. I wont lie, I've seen people say things like ''go quit the game etc'', but let's be honest, where does this hurtful words usually happen at? Extreme primals and raids I can run 1000 dungeons and maybe see 1 guy talk about someone's dps being low, and not gonna lie I've run many roulettes and rarely see it happens and if it does, it's a very small chance of it happening. The real issue are those who play in primal fights and raids who get's that attitude. I know it's too far being rude about it, but when you are doing primals or raids, you are to expected to play well.

Example, I helped my friends doing seph extreme the other day. My friend isn't excactly the best healer, so put him up with a healer who can solo heal would be ideal if he screws up, his friend didn't do high dps, in fact less than my war but we beat it regardles. Now, if he was in a party finder which he have tried for ages but never beat it, it could occur the fact he and his friend was the players who nerfed the group, no? You see when you going to farm content, people expects people to play well, and not get a free ride. If you aren't doing enough, I would kindly ask them to leave on their own and if they have a bad attitude, I ignore it and won't talk to them again, simple. If this was my own static or friend I would help them much as I can. Problem with random people, many take it the wrong way, but I wont say many haven't accepted my help in terms of rotations etc, because many have indeed. I think many here, including yourself, forget the fact we talk about high end content like primals and raids and people have to step up. Barely anyone mention that you have to be top tier dps in roulettes or 24 man raids.

As for the community using parser, rarely see people call it out, and it's very rare. The big picture is there are few of pro-parsers compare to the people who won't get gud. Simple. If you care to join, do things with me and you will see how ''often'' as you or other people say it happens. Most people make it sound like it happens every time they enter a duty. There are more icemages than those who call out and badmouth people

Because lots of mistakes are actually not tied to DPS checks so it would help people to focus on something else.
Your example is a bit biased, since Hummelfaust is really nothing but a DPS check. And for that, SSS is your friend (It's mine, at least)

As for how I'd figure that out, I'd try using words and see how far it'll go.

Haha, true on SSS, that's pretty much the same. So yes, I agree with you there . Mistakes can be mechanics and rotations. Problem is, ''mistakes'' in therm of dps, isn't a mistake when you drop down 500 dps, dropping down 50-100 is however. But about the SSS part and hummelfaust, you are correct, it's pretty much the same there, but want to know the sad part? I've tried to help groups on my own server for it and woah, full 230 gear and can't beat it? I never said anyting about a person's dps was low, I was saying it was just low for the whole group, but to be honest there was a smn doing 1.2k there when he should done atleast 500-600 more with his gear. But did I tell him? Nope, because that's where the problem comes, they gonna get offended if I was gonna offer them a rotation to follow, and that my friend is what many can't figure out how to fix. Kick them? Nope because then you are an asshole (which many in this thread say it is), or you simply have to accept their dps but can't beat it because hes not doing enough. Sometimes I just disband a whole party and re-invite people that did enough in dps and mechanics and find a replacement for the one who couldn't, this is to avoid to make them feel bad for being behind on the dps check. I know it's a bit harsh but rather do that then tell them they are low on dps and it might hurt their feelings (tbh, which it shouldn't because I feel like I'm a very forgiving guy and would do anything to help that person out) but since many (sadly) gets offended I won't do anything about it. Just being honest. If there was anything that could make them feel less offended, that be great. I think most people would actually adjust themselves on their own if they actually had a tool to begin with, many people fix their own problem, whatever that could be, because they KNOW. For certain if I know/knew I was a screw up in anything and saw it with my own eyes from the very beginning, I would start fix myself than anything.

[Reynhart]

I never said anyting about a person's dps was low, I was saying it was just low for the whole group, but to be honest there was a smn doing 1.2k there when he should done atleast 500-600 more with his gear.

That's why the most important skill in this game...is diplomacy...and why I mostly play with my FC.

The way I see it, if people get offended because you point some of their flaws, even in the most polite way, then parsing them, or telling them to parse themselves will offend them. Anf if they want to improve, they'll find their way with whatever they have, be it an unofficial personal parser, or SSS.

Again, there's no reason to make a poll on that, because a poll means some kind of minority vs majority, whereas each player should be able to chose their personal way of improving.

[Seraphix2407]

That's why the most important skill in this game...is diplomacy...and why I mostly play with my FC.

The way I see it, if people get offended because you point some of their flaws, even in the most polite way, then parsing them, or telling them to parse themselves will offend them. Anf if they want to improve, they'll find their way with whatever they have, be it an unofficial personal parser, or SSS.

Again, there's no reason to make a poll on that, because a poll means some kind of minority vs majority, whereas each player should be able to chose their personal way of improving.

Many times I've helped people who have accepted and it's seriously a great feeling they come back to me super happy knowing they do so much better. Like this DRG did 1.200 on faust in alex 1 savage, helped them out with rotation and it incrased to 1400 or more.

#Datfeeling they come back jumping at me being all happy!. I own my FC and we have so many people who was even afraid doing normal midas because they thought they would screw up on mechanics, so I changed their mind and let them tag along and they did good! Of course their dps could been higher but then again myself and other in FC who does savage didn't or never ever expected them to be top or the best. We simply help them out with it. For those who doesn't do savage in my fc they are fine too, we don't care about their dps, much as many peopel don't care about people's dps outside hard raids. Keep in mind, even if you and I disagree on many points through out the thread, doesn't mean we can't be friends and that's what I also dislike with people having bad attitude towards getting better. They are just doing their own thing and won't care about others. Seing their own reality might give them that kick on their butt to see why people tried to help them in the first place.

To every player in this thread, who it be on ps4 or pc and want to improve and want a parser simply because of that, cheers! I salut people who want to improve and it doesn't matter if they are on ps4 or pc, what I won't support are people who refuses and to me they are just a big bag of bad seed's towards me. If you are one of them, you aren't excactly better than those who are assholes.

[Krissey]

The major fear here is not having or not parsers. The problem here is the creation of a DPS obsesed community.

It already is a DPS obsessed community. I dare you to go to the healer forums and say healer DPS doesn't matter.

In the GIF thread that's supposed to be fun and make you laugh someone complained about a healer DPSing and letting them drop down to 50 HP and everyone tore their head off defending the healer.