Would you like an in-game parser?

[Ragnorak]

I would love a group parser. People throw the abuse card but I just find it silly in my opinion. If someone by any chance says your not doing enough damage instead of having a fit and complaining about abuse why not just get better? It's really not hard to be good at a job there are plenty of guides on this forum detailing what you should do but people act like it's so much effort to just read. If you get better you won't get abused by toxic people logic I know its hard to understand. I guess this is the result of SE creating so much faceroll content outside of savage that people don't need to get better and when something finally comes which tests people skill just a bit people can't do it some reason.

This ^ like the way some of these people sensitivities work. If you even mention their dps you're being mean and toxic no matter how you say it. People would rather just ask for nerfs then spend an hour smacking a dummy learning their rotation.

[Wegente]

Being against the introduction of a DPS meter in the game is like saying "We shouldn't have knives or any potentially harmful object in our houses because the children might get hurt".

The parents (or the GMs in this case) just have to be careful and watch over their children so that nothing bad happens (which means, people that would use the DPS meter to insult/mock players who aren't performing that well should get reported and harshly punished by the GMs).

[Xlantaa]

Being against the introduction of a DPS meter in the game is like saying "We shouldn't have knives or any potentially harmful object in our houses because the children might get hurt".

The parents (or the GMs in this case) just have to be careful and watch over their children so that nothing bad happens (which means, people that would use the DPS meter to insult/mock players who aren't performing that well should get reported and harshly punished by the GMs).

That's the problem. GM probably won't care and won't do anything. They will say "different opinions" and nothing happends. And we will have casual players who cannot run a single dungeng because they can get a pro-stupid-elitist-douchebag obsesed with DPS who is complaing all the fucking run about his DPS and finnaly vote kicked. And this happends more than people thinks.

One of the ways to protect this players now is avoid the use of "numbers" and be a reportable thing. Adding an in-game parse will make it official tool so valid to use in game and talk about it, and like vote kick, the "different opinion" argument comes and we will have a lot of injustified kicks and that shit more than ever. But this time, we cannot stop them becase "its a official tool" and can be use freely, even to discard/discriminate people or even kick them from dungeons, which are casual content. Now you can report people for parse you and give you numbers, it is considered as harassment and cheating. With a official parse, that won't be possible, because is a ingame feature, valid to use as argument.


I, and probably msot of the players, don't want that MMO.

[Waliel]

At this point I'd just like to see some kind of parser implemented for a couple of weeks just to see if the community would really implode on itself.

[Anyan]

My reason for not wanting a parser is probably a bit selfish but I'll share it anyway. I don't want it for the simple fact that it'll cause me to get tunnel vision. Even if I could turn it off I'd have that nagging feeling it was there, and I wouldn't be able to resist. It would lower my enjoyment of the game. I was so relieved when I saw that there wasn't a parser in this game.

I try to do my very best in every content I do. I look up tutorials and read guides. That is my choice though and I don't want to push others to do the same. Even if it does frustrate me sometimes when I see that someone is slacking, which is entirely possible (and quite easily too) to do without numbers. I'm much happier when I work to better myself instead of trying to change others for my sake. Take some deep breaths, chillax, and remind myself that it's just a game.


This game overall has a lovely community. When I see how rude people are to each other (on both sides) when discussing this topic on the forums, I worry about what it'd be like in game. I imagine it might even get worse.

I have no problem with SE adding it to savage content though since people say it's impossible to clear without it. I haven't tried savage, only ex primals, so I'll take their word for it.

[Ragnorak]

If we did things simply to avoid bullies no one would leave the house. If you feel cyber bullied close your eyes turn off the screen Walk away as someone once said

[Seraphix2407]

Btw forgot to add something to my reply to Preypacer.
You mention people being left out. Do you know excactly why? Because they are underperformance in the actuall content. Simple. If you see a healer who won't heal, hes not doing his job, easy to bash and complain about. A DPS doing horrible numbers, the run is slower, in case a primal fight or raid, enrage. How on earth can you simply avoid that issue. TBH. To make me think about it, it's better to leave a official parser out of the game, because like you said, there is no need right? So those who gets kicked, doesn't get included in groups don't know why, simply because even if the person is the most sweetest and kindest person, and tries to help, even being honest about the DPS numbers, there is a slight chance of not being included. Let's keep it that way, so people still wonder why they get left out or never get invited.

Let's keep it the way where many refused to take help and ignore the problem.
I'm fully aware with a official parser there might be more a-holes added to the group who already are, however, in my own PERSONAL experience, I've met way too many people who gives a shit and because of those and simply because of a such arrogant post you posted, I will keep leave those people out and wont bother help them out, because I might hurt their feelings saying they are behind on dps or failing mechanics while doing them. Thanks.

[Kallera]

does the vested interest of "improving the player base" involve punishing those not as interested in the attitudes from the hardest, most frustrating tier of content? Why would SE win by players treating other players like numbers?

[Seraphix2407]

does the vested interest of "improving the player base" involve punishing those not as interested in the attitudes from the hardest, most frustrating tier of content? Why would SE win by players treating other players like numbers?

If you aren't interested in the hardest content you simply don't do them. People judge those who who do but not pulling enough weight.

[Kallera]

If you aren't interested in the hardest content you simply don't do them. People judge those who who do but not pulling enough weight.

Player standards vary a lot with this. So do game mechanics. either the gms have to review the intrcacies of each case(which would involve more than what the combat log provides) or it gets open to a very wide interpretation by the players that can affect a lot of unintended targets.

and don't say those attitudes would stay in savage and ex trial, it can and does roll downhill and has since the game started.