Would you like an in-game parser?

[akaneakki]

My main problem with the parser, like i said before, is harrasment. If something is done about that point, i'm fine with parsing, It's not like i'll be forced to play with it.
I know that harrasment aren't parser only, but people are people and it's bond to happend. As simple and stupid as that...

Once a player enter the game, they will harrass people. Its the action of a player/person not the tool itself. Also I know I will sound a-hole here; but if a person gets kicked and they KNOW they are not doing well enough, whos fault is that? The player ofc who doesnt do enough like the rest is doing. And if you or anyone else is afraid of getting kicked if it does happen (a parser in game) why not improve? Or you going to blame it on something else?

I agree that parser

All of those harrasements comes from non parser people too. And also seriously, if you going to bring up a healer have to dps, please stop already. If a WHM is asking a BLM for virus, why? They are dps not support, again, why does tank need to use shake it off? Its support, they are tanks not support. I could go all day. If people actually played well, then we might some decent dungeons like AK was with double bees back in the day. If a person is doing grey percentile without a death or just 1 death, something IS TERRIBLE wrong. If a person done a fight 20 times and his average is lets say 30-40% whos fault is that?
And honestly stop think its possible for everyone to do 2k dps in susano and healers do 0 dps and tanks doesn't try to hit good numbers and not hit enrage, that's how bad it is if the very low end players end up together and I've witness it so many times. It's time we couldnt even kill the sword in susano extreme and I did it with my static as ILVL 270!!!!!

[Reinha]

All of those harrasements comes from non parser people too. And also seriously, if you going to bring up a healer have to dps, please stop already.

I do think healers should dps if they can, but some people may think it's wrong to put all of the fault on healers (who may be dealing dps already) if the group is lacking dps. I don't know what the consensus is so that's why I wrote that line.

Saying any of those things could get someone reported atm (for parser use, not necessarily harassment), so I'm thinking that if parser use was no longer a reportable offense then we would see such talk in game as long as it's not classed as harassment. But would it be? Personally I don't think the majority of those lines count as harassment, but some people might disagree.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Here's a question to everyone: would the following (currently forbidden topics) count as harassment if we assume the group is capable of clearing the fight? And what if the group is not capable of clearing?

For fun, I'll split them into categories based on my own opinion.

- You're doing lower dps than the OT, step it up. (Judging by comparing to another role)
- If the healer did more dps we would do better. (Adding dps responsibility to other roles than dps)
- Sorry, you're not doing enough damage so we're going to let you go. (Kicking)

- Lol the SAM is below the BRD. (Judging based on job, mocking)
- Your weapon is better than mine yet I do more dps, please git gud. (Judging based on gear)

- All you gray percentiles are being carried. (Judging based on relative performance)
- Don't take that player, he's done bad dps in previous runs. (Talking trash about someone to other players)
- You're doing shit dps, have you considered uninstalling? (Swearing, rude comments)

Even in the harassment category, I find only the italics example harassing whereas the other two could become that way if say, one player was trying to improve yet someone kept insisting they were terrible and never to take them all because they were bad at such and such a time. Basically, context matters to differentiate between a rude remark and plain harassment.

[Zarabeth]

All of you arguing in this thread for so many pages is EXACTLY why there will never be a parser in game. The more you go on and complain that people not on your side are harassing you just proves the point that you can't play well together and could never be trusted not to use a parser to harass others.

[Dualgunner]

All of you arguing in this thread for so many pages is EXACTLY why there will never be a parser in game. The more you go on and complain that people not on your side are harassing you just proves the point that you can't play well together and could never be trusted not to use a parser to harass others.

Exactly! So forums should be removed as a feature since all people do is harass people over them.

[Zarabeth]

Exactly! So forums should be removed as a feature since all people do is harass people over them.

Way to miss the entire point.

[Oscura]

The more you go on and complain that people not on your side are harassing you just proves the point that you can't play well together and could never be trusted not to use a parser to harass others.

I presume you're referring to pro-parsers, which is a bit of a strawman, since I don't recall anyone saying they're being harassed for being pro-parser. More specifically, it was just people calling pro-parsers toxic, and then in the same post throwing out insults.

Also, because people can't agree on something it means that parsers shouldn't be supported, or because people who want parsers keep arguing and/or defending their point against people who don't, that suddenly they can't be trusted? Do you even realize how ridiculous this sounds? Yet I'm supposed to trust every doom-sayer who talks as if parsers will bring about the end times and how there will be constant harassment and everyone who uses one will be super toxic and mean to me?

Also, just saying. "The more you go on and complain that people not on your side and harassing you just proves the point that you can't play well together and could never be trusted to not whine about parsers." It goes both ways. Even if it was brought up in a calm, polite manner addressing the objective fact that someone is doing less than their class should be, or demands.

I'm going to do my best to ignore how entitled and self-centered it sounds to imply that players need to earn "trust," to use parsers. You can't even trust most players to do mechanics properly, doesn't mean they're not allowed to keep attempting the content and screwing it up.

[HyoMinPark]

All of you arguing in this thread for so many pages is EXACTLY why there will never be a parser in game. The more you go on and complain that people not on your side are harassing you just proves the point that you can't play well together and could never be trusted not to use a parser to harass others.

The only people I see complaining about harassment are the "anti-parser" posters.

[Dualgunner]

Way to miss the entire point.

Oh?

If your point is "We won't have parsers because the devs think we can't handle it--after all, look at our use of the forums" it then follows that we shouldn't even be allowed the forums, because we can't be trusted with our use of the forums.

If it's not, then work on how you word your arguments in the future.

[Zarabeth]

I presume you're referring to pro-parsers

And you would be wrong in that presumption. I'm referring to both sides. As to the rest of your post I said none of that. You are putting your own words in there, not what I said.

Also if I were not doing my job in game, I would want to be told (preferably nicely). I always welcome tips. I try to always do the best I can in whatever job I'm playing. I played FFXI for over 7 years where you'd get kicked from a party if you so much as showed up with less than +1 gear in every slot, let alone slack off. I spent years doing Dynamis, Sky, Sea, etc. And I've never needed a parser to tell me if I'm doing well. If you need one, get act or whatever program and go nuts with yourself.

Really I don't care if you all argue till the end of time on this parser thing. SE has made it abundantly clear that it will not happen. I was just pointing out that you are proving their point in not adding it. You are all so quick to jump about nothing. Well have fun for another 47 pages and see where that gets you.