Would you like an in-game parser?

[Sebazy]

This is interesting but I question its accuracy. I'm not entirely sure how potency works but If you are correct and buffs / debuffs etc don't actually affect potency itself then PPS isn't necessarily a good indication of a players performance. a player could achieve quite a high PPS but actualy have a negative impact on there actual DPS.

You misread my suggestion whoops.

To make a long story short, the way I see it:

Obviously, it'd track the potency values of the actions you apply, combo values and importantly, dot values would be factored in as well.

You could then apply a modifier over this on a per buff basis. Self buffs and job specific weapon type debuffs would need to be taken into account as you say above, it just wouldn't make sense for many DPS jobs if it didn't. Where things get murkier is of course choosing to factor in party buffs such as balance. IMHO the simplest solution here would be to have it to default to self only with an option to include party buffs into the modifier.

From there, you can display 2 numbers, your current potency per second and the modifier you are on at that point in time. Showing both highlights the effect of good buff/debuff usage which again as you say, is rather important.

If there's a sticky point with going with potency per second, it's on how to handle crit and buffs such as litany/chain. Handling straight % buffs and debuffs is no issue tho.

[akaneakki]

No, I would not. If it was added, I would turn it off. If it was party wide, I would permanently disable party chat.

You remind me of this guy. You gonna think it's fine to ignore the rest when they ask you to either know the mechanics or do enough dps. While everyone wants to either down or farm, 1 person which is also needed to do the mechanics correct, otherwise a wipe.

[Ayer2015]

Yes. And I never said I believed they'd implement it nor do I "hold out hope." I simply argued putting to what the devs have said in the past means nothing. They have repeatedly changed their minds hence my example.

I now ask what attitude? This entire thread has been largely civil from the pro parse crowd. In fact, I've seen more "toxic" responses from people from the opposite side. You needs only go back a handful of pages to see yet another blind assumption that only "toxic jerks" want parses when the majority who do favour them do so because they want personal improvement and accountability.

Have you not seen all the treads regarding other players not doing enough dps in casual content?

[HyoMinPark]

Have you not seen all the treads regarding other players not doing enough dps in casual content?

Care to link some of them?

If this is referring to the threads about how DPS aren’t using AOEs in large packs (since that’s a pretty common argument), then the threads have reason to be there, and the OPs are usually right: DPS should be using AOEs against large trash packs. Doesn’t take parsing to see when they aren’t using AOEs. If this is about healer DPS, then why is it okay for healers to use 1/3 of their toolkit, but not for DPS to do the same? If a WHM can only cast Cure, why can’t I just use Heavy Shot?

But these discussions have nothing to do with parser discussions. Like others have said, a few pages back there was a poster who said only people who parse are “toxic”, and then in the same breath spewed his own toxicity by saying they should be immediately banned from the game. Why is it that “anti-parser” posters are allowed to say things like that, but if a “pro-parser” poster says “I should have the right to kick a person who is not DPSing and looking to be carried through ShinEx or V4S from my party” labeled “toxic”?

[Taika]

Have you not seen all the treads regarding other players not doing enough dps in casual content?

I actually haven't, can you link a few?

[Sebazy]

Have you not seen all the treads regarding other players not doing enough dps in casual content?

Are you referring to the posts towards the end of Heavensward where the sub par vs decent DPS disparity was at it's peak?

Few of those posts or the comments in them were toxic or elitist IMHO, it was a fair observation of an issue that seemed to be steadily spiralling out of control. There's also plenty of examples of people referencing the typically poor DPS that average people do in story trials such as Shinryu with regards to how these sorts of encounters are tuned. Hardly toxic.

I'm in agreement with Bourne on this frankly, some casual players can be incredibly defensive to the point of being aggressive towards anything even hinting at them being below par. It's just a sore subject that some people don't have the mental fortitude to handle and deal with unfortunately. It's not even an exclusive MMO thing. Call a few people out on their standard of driving and you'll often see exactly the same sort of snap reactions.

[Selova]

snip.

Even if there were as many threads about players not doing enough dps in casual content, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. There is nothing inherently wrong with discussing the topic itself, in fact there is entire thread with thousands of responses about bad DF groups that's been on the front page for years. All you're doing is grouping people that are for parsers and painting them all in a negative light, when in fact it's the people that are against parsers that are displaying the most hostility. It's getting ridiculous.

[akaneakki]

Have you not seen all the treads regarding other players not doing enough dps in casual content?

Which threads? Feel free to link. I mean... if you talk about no aoe from a dps, then yeah. The aoe is there for a reason, if you think overwise, you are wrong. But sure other than that, give us a coupel of links, we are pleased to wait.

[TensaiSogetsu]

You remind me of this guy. You gonna think it's fine to ignore the rest when they ask you to either know the mechanics or do enough dps. While everyone wants to either down or farm, 1 person which is also needed to do the mechanics correct, otherwise a wipe.

I don't do farm parties so no, I don't need to see your inane ramblings. I make sure to atleast get a grasp on mechanics before I enter fights and stay up to date on gear, I don't need a number to know if I screwed up or not. Stop the hand holding. I have no need for your e-peen contests.

[Taika]

I make sure to atleast get a grasp on mechanics before I enter fights and stay up to date on gear, I don't need a number to know if I screwed up or not.

You would be suprised how many players who keep their gear up to date and don't mess up a single mechanic are unable to pull their own weight DPS-wise. Last time I did OS4 with a pickup DD their DPS was so low if everyone else had played at their level we would have never been able to beat the fight even with 0 mistakes and deaths. And the person had i340 melded gear and did 0 mistakes. They might very well have thought they "didn't need a number" but they most certainly could have used one, because right now they were being carried hard. The worst thing is, they probably did know this, because they had seen and hidden their own parse rankings...