Would you like an in-game parser?

[Zeonsilt]

But it will cause a lot of harassment and kicks because people can be vocal about it. Less skilled players will try to avoid DF/PF and this is not good for queue time or self-improvement.

they try SSS dummy and realize that they can't clear it.

Implementing a parser in SSS and Savage Raids would be a good start. They could first check/improve DPS at SSS and then join Savage. We don't need parser in Expert dungeon/etc.

Maybe later for EX primals, but Savage is a must.

It will also help console players, because they can't use any 3rd party software.

[Taika]

If they want to improve the player base skill, they should look at the content they are providing. Brain-dead content is not going to help anyone learn and get better.

Another thing is, people do not know that they are bad. There is nothing in this game that will show them that they are playing poorly unless they try SSS dummy and realize that they can't clear it.

Good points! Content should have a gradual difficulty increase that would help people improve while they advance in the game. I also think that requiring beating a SSS dummy to be able to access content might be a good first step in making people aware of their current skill level in a kind and non-public way.

[Yeol]

We don't need parser in Expert dungeon/etc.

Maybe later for EX primals, but Savage is a must..

It is only fair because if the group fails dps check, they want to know why.
In my opinion, any content that has a heavy dps check should have a parse.

[Mycow8me]

Most of the talk I see from the pro parser community correlates to weeding out bad players, saving time, lowering frustations... etc... Very rarely do you run into an actual conversation promoting parsers as a tool for self improvement which is the only conversation I actually care about in regards to them. I feel like for this reason they ultimately are their own enemies and fuel the very people they are against.

Non party, (in game) self parsers would not hurt anyone and just give people an idea where they stand, something to look at improving constantly every fight, and a goal beyond just "clearing". They could be toggled or a simple game settings checkbox. There's no reason to be against this kind of thing other than wanting to deny someone else a tool that you don't feel like using yourself for a chance to improve. That's all I want to bring back to this table.

[Taika]

Most of the talk I see from the pro parser community correlates to weeding out bad players, saving time, lowering frustations... etc... Very rarely do you run into an actual conversation promoting parsers as a tool for self improvement

Really? Your reading is very selective. Here's a few examples just from the first 3 pages (on my settings) of this thread:

Yes I would lik one. I would like to know if I'm where I should be on my DPS.

Yes please, I would like to play my AST at my maximum capacity on an official level ^_______^

Yes, I would like an in-game parser. I want to better myself as a player for the various types of content that I do, and a parser would be among one of the many things to help with that.

I would like to see where my dps goes up or down so I can improve without having to ask someone on PC to run a certain piece of content with me just to see.

i support a personal parser. I'd like to see if changes I make to my gear or rotations are positive changes or not.

Of course parsers are also needed to show the group DPS issues in the content where group DPS matters (enrages), and obviously people talk about that too, but a lot of the discussion is also about self improvement (and group improvement! you can't fix issues if you don't know where they come from).

[Mycow8me]

Really? Your reading is very selective. Here's a few examples just from the first 3 pages (on my settings) of this thread:

Sorry taika, I'm not bothering with you this time around but feel free to disagree.

[Dualgunner]

Sorry taika, I'm not bothering with you this time around but feel free to disagree.

Woooooooooooooooow. That's the fastest shutdown on the forums I've seen. There's no "agree to disagree" here, just the cold fact that your claim got refuted fast and hard.

[Sebazy]

Sorry taika, I'm not bothering with you this time around but feel free to disagree.

There's been plenty of examples in the healer forums with people mulling over logs to provide help and advice, you often see this on reddit too.

Remember that the 'fight club' rules surrounding parsing makes people a little wary about discussing matters around it even when it's in an entirely positive manner.

[HyoMinPark]

Sorry taika, I'm not bothering with you this time around but feel free to disagree.

There is no “agree to disagree”. Anyone who has actually read the parser discussions on here knows that a lot of people comment about wanting one because they want to know how to self-improve, and the self-improvement argument is one of the largest arguments people make FOR parsers. Please read the threads in full instead of only reading what you want to read next time you want to contribute to a topic. It will help further your own arguments that way.

[popotaro]