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    So people have behaved just as kindly/badly/neutrally with or without it. That doesn't bode well for your idea that parsers suddenly toxify environments or that a lack of parsers, or otherwise blinding players to what/how they're doing, would protect anything about/from the community.
    Just the opposite, actually. Again, I know as I contacted people who play ESO to get their feedback. One does that when one is considering an investment in a new MMO. But I am sure you wont listen to that either or tell me I am "appealing to authority" or some such stupidity.

    Ive made my points , what you choose to do with it is your problem.

    Yet the community always wants them and always finds away to make them work
    Oh yes the logs. You have to MANUALLY upload them, and you can not do so and remain totally anonymous. You need to have the addon to get the logs, no addon no logs. It is still an unauthorised, unsanctioned addon with HEAVY penalties for misuse.

    Sound familiar?
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    Last edited by VelKallor; 06-16-2023 at 10:28 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    Oh yes the logs. You have to MANUALLY upload them, and you can not do so and remain totally anonymous. You need to have the addon to get the logs, no addon no logs. It is still an unauthorised, unsanctioned addon with HEAVY penalties for misuse.

    Sound familiar?
    You didn't have to manually upload them you can live log too
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    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    Just the opposite, actually. Again, I know as I contacted people who play ESO to get their feedback. One does that when one is considering an investment in a new MMO. But I am sure you wont listen to that either or tell me I am "appealing to authority" or some such stupidity.

    Ive made my points , what you choose to do with it is your problem.



    Oh yes the logs. You have to MANUALLY upload them, and you can not do so and remain totally anonymous. You need to have the addon to get the logs, no addon no logs. It is still an unauthorised, unsanctioned addon with HEAVY penalties for misuse.

    Sound familiar?
    Only reason you are against parsers is because your performance is so bad even you yourself would be ashamed.

    Silly rabbit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EderTheBro View Post
    Only reason you are against parsers is because your performance is so bad even you yourself would be ashamed.

    Silly rabbit.
    Perhaps. Now consider, though, a circumstance in which you the majority --for whatever reason-- would not consent to kick them, yet you are likewise unwilling to leave.

    Assumedly, they're already aware of their performance (since, per your assumption here, that's why they'd rather place a gag order on that information).

    What good, then, does the comment on their performance, itself, do, as compared to more useful advice (even if it be a link to the basics) or ways of coordinating with your party to better handle being leeched off of?

    If one were aware they were a leech to the point of trying to influence game policy in their favor, it's not as if calling them that is exactly going to do much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    Perhaps. Now consider, though, a circumstance in which you the majority --for whatever reason-- would not consent to kick them, yet you are likewise unwilling to leave.

    Assumedly, they're already aware of their performance (since, per your assumption here, that's why they'd rather place a gag order on that information).

    What good, then, does the comment on their performance, itself, do, as compared to more useful advice (even if it be a link to the basics) or ways of coordinating with your party to better handle being leeched off of?

    If one were aware they were a leech to the point of trying to influence game policy in their favor, it's not as if calling them that is exactly going to do much.
    It sure doesn't do anything but I brought it up because they make statements like these all the time despite having hidden logs lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mosha View Post
    just to show you've got no experience with harder content therefore your opinions on stuff like the P10s bug are very misinformed
    Wrong. I have raided up incl Mythic back in WOW over eight years.
    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    TOP and the Mythic for BFA are comparable. Same parameters, same disciplines, same methodology and approach.
    Every other guy arguing against or for parsers, fine. But this guy no. Might unironically be some troll (better than me in that case )
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    Hey OP, just make a thread if you want or dont want a in-game parser, simple

    you will see how much support through single thread calculations.

    I hope you have a good day and happy sunny weekend!
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    I wouldn't mind one but I know many do not. I feel like a good middle ground would be you can see how you measure up on the average to others using the same role but you do not see other peoples.

    You can judge yourself and yourself alone. Also make that optional. Don't want to see how you are doing? Have it set to off.
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    I've said it before, I'll say it again.

    The "record" feature has potential to be a perfect in game parser.

    Sure, we could watch it, write it all down, and do it ourselves but... what if we didn't have to do that?

    What if you could "submit" a recorded dungeon, and one hour latter you'd get a mail, with a record of your run, how you did, rankings to compare to others who submitted it, and maybe even hints on how to do better? Nothing about how anybody ELSE did though.

    Now, what if you wanted it faster? How about being able to pay 100 crysta and get it in 5 minutes? Same results, just faster, and they make money.

    Ain't nothing could possibly go wrong with any of that.

    Will they do it?

    Never.

    Not on your life.
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    As someone who tend to be doing lots of Extreme fights for mounts and savage stuff as well who was against an ingame parser at first, over the years, my opinion changed a lot.
    Having DPSs doing "freestyle" rotations and doing less damage than the healers in a game where DPS check are a thing, and being unable to tell them anything or even kick them in fear of being reported and warned/banned is kind of infuriating.

    Edit: Actually SE doesn't even need to show numbers, I remember a game named "Dauntless" who used to just give people different colored medals depending of the damage done.
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    Last edited by Dakam; 06-19-2023 at 08:14 PM.

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    Nah, I'm good.
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