Would you like an in-game parser?

[HyoMinPark]

Also if I were not doing my job in game, I would want to be told (preferably nicely). I always welcome tips. I try to always do the best I can in whatever job I'm playing. I played FFXI for over 7 years where you'd get kicked from a party if you so much as showed up with less than +1 gear in every slot, let alone slack off. I spent years doing Dynamis, Sky, Sea, etc. And I've never needed a parser to tell me if I'm doing well. If you need one, get act or whatever program and go nuts with yourself.

Objectively speaking, how do you know if you are doing as well as you think you are doing without a tool that shows you hard numbers? Unless you are referring to other aspects of your job, like utility aspects. Serious question here, because I am curious.

Really I don't care if you all argue till the end of time on this parser thing. SE has made it abundantly clear that it will not happen. I was just pointing out that you are proving their point in not adding it. You are all so quick to jump about nothing. Well have fun for another 47 pages and see where that gets you.

SE also said that tanks would never be able to block magic damage, that housing would remain FC only, and that said housing would never have a feature implemented like the auto-demolition timer. What SE says is not necessarily law; they’ve been known to say things one Live Letter, and then a few patches or even an expansion later, go back on what they said because of community demands.

All this being said, you aren’t really doing yourself any favors by continuing to pop back into this thread to bicker with us. If this is all so “pointless”, then why do you keep coming back to the thread? Or are you just looking to get in a “last word”, if you will?

Nice stealth edit about the “trust” thing, by the way.

[Zarabeth]

Nice stealth edit about the “trust” thing, by the way.

No stealth needed, you all just jumped right in while I was still editing to add what I wanted to say. Anyhow, carry on.

[Tridus]

Really I don't care if you all argue till the end of time on this parser thing. SE has made it abundantly clear that it will not happen. I was just pointing out that you are proving their point in not adding it. You are all so quick to jump about nothing. Well have fun for another 47 pages and see where that gets you.

SE also said that 12 housing wards ought to be enough for everybody. Remind me again how that worked out for them and how hard they backpedalled after the epic Shirogane fiasco?

And while we're on the subject of gigantic forum threads, how about SE talking about how they don't expect healers to DPS while also giving us encounters with healing requirements so slim that Eos can do it alone?

SE says lots of things that don't line up well with what they do.

[akaneakki]

?SE says lots of things that don't line up well with what they do.

There was actually a video recently where Yoshida says healers should dps when there is no healing required. Let's see the response of those who whoreship him saying before healers shouldn't dps into they should dps if there is nothing to heal .

[HyoMinPark]

All of you arguing in this thread for so many pages is EXACTLY why there will never be a parser in game. The more you go on and complain that people not on your side are harassing you just proves the point that you can't play well together and could never be trusted not to use a parser to harass others.

The only people I see complaining about harassment are the "anti-parser" posters.

[akaneakki]

All of you arguing in this thread for so many pages is EXACTLY why there will never be a parser in game..

So we shouldn't have the korean glams people begged for? The maid outfit etc? Because people argue about that too? Nice logic. Anyways it seems like a lot of people don't want a parser because they think it will give square enix green light to harras others, which it wont. Then my second thought is some people don't want one because they don't want to improve. So they trying to dodge that too I guess.

I do think healers should dps if they can, but some people may think it's wrong to put all of the fault on healers (who may be dealing dps already) if the group is lacking dps. I don't know what the consensus is so that's why I wrote that line.

Funny part is, in many shinryu fight without tanks pushing dps and healers as well, I would seen more enrages already. Healers job is to heal yes, but it's also certainly a job like everyone else, to click as many times as you can and not idle. Imagine how that would work with other classes. Over healing doesn't make you a good healer in the first place, just means you don't know how the fight works.

[Fhaerron]

This thread is still going?

What did I miss?

Yes I want a parser so I can measure myself better and see my DPS at all times. And I actually want to have it for my Tank & heal jobs so I can see how much I improve as I learn the fight better, now when big damage spikes are coming, etc.

And to those people saying no ... I'm sorry to burst your bubble but we already have a meter ... I just would like it to be official and be more accurate, like have a full open addon api and such.
We do have FF logs and all that thankfully but it would be nice to have a full open addon part too.


I'm far from 'elite' or 'pro' player and I don't play 24/7 either, but I did raid mythic in WoW and I would sometimes send my personal logs to the hardcore elite players to analyse and then they would tell me what I did wrong or how I could improve or change something on my rotation during certain mechanics, etc.

That input really improved me in skill and I was so grateful for that.

I have a full time job and I take evening classes (one evening per week but I study every evening after work), I study about 2 hours when I get home and then play 3-4 hours and go to bed.
I'm very casual and need my time to do content.
I play games for fun and to relax, I especially like RPG's and MMO's (and FF in particular) and I take enjoyment out of improving myself, I never see raiding or trying to take your dps to the limit as 'stressful' I mean I have enough stress with work and studying, I still relax in the game with this.

[Mycow8me]

I think one of the core aspects of a personal parser that doesn't get talked much about is the motivation it can bring. There can be times in dungeon or facerolling boring content that I literally just try to see how far I can push it. Capitalize on that feeling even more in a raid environment and it can increase your focus and determination (not the game stat, YOUR actual determination as a player).

One of the major things I've personally used a parse for was checking out different melding and testing the direct hit meta for tanks. Interestingly enough my war saw a higher gain with skillspeed and determination melds on my current gear but dark knight didn't see the same gains so I switched back to direct hit. The only reasonable explanation I could think of for it was Wars Berserk increasing attack power and the extra skillspeed and determination made auto attacks and gcds that much stronger during its duration. It was arguably alot better as long as there isn't much lucky fel cleave direct hits popping (Directly increase damage vs RNGing extra damage). A PS4 player is unable to do any kind of meld testing at all and left to follow metas and others advice.

[Mature]

I still cannot get my head around as to why some people are still biter about a personal parsing.

[Dzian]

This would just ensure a larger amount of the playerbase would never get there. I mean...can you imagine trying to grind tomes in expert with this kind of difficulty curve? Or how 24 mans would have to be balanced? The SB trials are annoying enough as it is to get them in roulette...imagine they all were as hard as Menagerie at min ilvl with no 70 abilties or worse. The only thing worse than a chore is a hard chore.

Things can't really be that much worse than they are now. Looking at various data for example this game has something like 800k active players.despite having over 10 million played the game. So over 9 million of them players never get there anyway.

Of those 9million plus I'd bet a very significant portion of them quit because the game is too easy and just isn't rewarding.

I mean sure a hard chore is worse than an easy one. But the worst chore of all is a meaningless one. Like painting a barrel with a toothbruth for absolutely no reason.

This is the problem with the game. Everything is meaningless and easy and thus just isnt rewarding. You say many players wouldn't make it if the difficulty curve was steeper. But I'd argue and say many players don't make it already because the game is so easy and boring they give up.

10 million players but 92% of them aren't active if you look at the last census.

Edit:-
I'm also the guy with the super awesome paint skills that did the graphs above.

If you look at the last one where I demonstrated a curve in difficulty you'll see I didn't take the curve all the way to savage. There still a prettty big step there for players but its not quite so overwhelming as it is in the other 2 graphs