Would you like an in-game parser?

[LyraKuroneko]

You do know harassment is already reportable right? Introducing a parser wouldn't change that to the point where parse harassment wouldn't need its own specification.

Hence my request, which was more highlighting the silliness of both requests.

It is, but it's also a pain to do so as the formular si long, the way you report RMT is fast and neat.
It's not that silly when you see how chat is in game now.

[Dualgunner]

It is, but it's also a pain to do so as the formular si long, the way you report RMT is fast and neat.
It's not that silly when you see how chat is in game now.

The big difference here is you won't need to report a mob of players for parser harassment in the same way you would for rmt, and you need to provide details in the report for harassment.

Making parse harassment as easy as right click > report would just lead to gms either doing nothing about genuine reports, or taking the nuclear option in which case it's be way too easy to accuse someone of parse harassment just because you dislike them.

[LyraKuroneko]

The big difference here is you won't need to report a mob of players for parser harassment in the same way you would for rmt, and you need to provide details in the report for harassment.

Making parse harassment as easy as right click > report would just lead to gms either doing nothing about genuine reports, or taking the nuclear option in which case it's be way too easy to accuse someone of parse harassment just because you dislike them.

You said it yourself by talking about misuse. It already happend with RMT report. so harrasment report this way wouldn't change much things. Just making it easier. When you try to farm you encounter a lot of cancerous player and it take too much time to report them for pple to actualy do that.

[Dualgunner]

You said it yourself by talking about misuse. It already happend with RMT report. so harrasment report this way wouldn't change much things. Just making it easier. When you try to farm you encounter a lot of cancerous player and it take too much time to report them for pple to actualy do that.

Fair enough on that point I suppose.

[LyraKuroneko]

My main problem with the parser, like i said before, is harrasment. If something is done about that point, i'm fine with parsing, It's not like i'll be forced to play with it.
I know that harrasment aren't parser only, but people are people and it's bond to happend. As simple and stupid as that...

Edit : you may not agree HyoMinPark, but it'll still be my opinion.

[HyoMinPark]

My main problem with the parser, like i said before, is harrasment. If something is done about that point, i'm fine with parsing, It's not like i'll be forced to play with it.
I know that harrasment aren't parser only, but people are people and it's bond to happend. As simple and stupid as that...

And harassment is bound to occur WITHOUT a parser. Like it already does. It's not like if parsers became "legal", the GMs would suddenly be okay with harassment.

Stop blaming the tool for the actions of PEOPLE.

[Reinha]

My main problem with the parser, like i said before, is harrasment.

I agree that parsers can have problems and that's why I'd like it to be restricted to specific content and made optional. When it comes to the harassment issue, it is very subjective and that's why it would be difficult to judge whether harassment increases from the use of an official parser. People would disagree on what even counts as harassment, as they already do. Some think that any comments about dps are harassment, some think that kicking is harassment and some don't think even rude comments are harassment as long as they are based on facts. That last type of person would not agree that harassment has multiplied alongside with parser use because they think harassment was at zero to begin with.

So in order to measure harassment we would first have to agree on what parser harassment is. Here's a question to everyone: would the following (currently forbidden topics) count as harassment if we assume the group is capable of clearing the fight? And what if the group is not capable of clearing?

- You're doing lower dps than the OT, step it up. (Judging by comparing to another role)
- Lol the SAM is below the BRD. (Judging based on job, mocking)
- If the healer did more dps we would do better. (Adding dps responsibility to other roles than dps)
- All you gray percentiles are being carried. (Judging based on relative performance)
- Your weapon is better than mine yet I do more dps, please git gud. (Judging based on gear)
- Sorry, you're not doing enough damage so we're going to let you go. (Kicking)
- Don't take that player, he's done bad dps in previous runs. (Talking trash about someone to other players)
- You're doing shit dps, have you considered uninstalling? (Swearing, rude comments)

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Here's a question to everyone: would the following (currently forbidden topics) count as harassment if we assume the group is capable of clearing the fight? And what if the group is not capable of clearing?

For fun, I'll split them into categories based on my own opinion.

- You're doing lower dps than the OT, step it up. (Judging by comparing to another role)
- If the healer did more dps we would do better. (Adding dps responsibility to other roles than dps)
- Sorry, you're not doing enough damage so we're going to let you go. (Kicking)

- Lol the SAM is below the BRD. (Judging based on job, mocking)
- Your weapon is better than mine yet I do more dps, please git gud. (Judging based on gear)

- All you gray percentiles are being carried. (Judging based on relative performance)
- Don't take that player, he's done bad dps in previous runs. (Talking trash about someone to other players)
- You're doing shit dps, have you considered uninstalling? (Swearing, rude comments)

Even in the harassment category, I find only the italics example harassing whereas the other two could become that way if say, one player was trying to improve yet someone kept insisting they were terrible and never to take them all because they were bad at such and such a time. Basically, context matters to differentiate between a rude remark and plain harassment.

[akaneakki]

My main problem with the parser, like i said before, is harrasment. If something is done about that point, i'm fine with parsing, It's not like i'll be forced to play with it.
I know that harrasment aren't parser only, but people are people and it's bond to happend. As simple and stupid as that...

Once a player enter the game, they will harrass people. Its the action of a player/person not the tool itself. Also I know I will sound a-hole here; but if a person gets kicked and they KNOW they are not doing well enough, whos fault is that? The player ofc who doesnt do enough like the rest is doing. And if you or anyone else is afraid of getting kicked if it does happen (a parser in game) why not improve? Or you going to blame it on something else?

I agree that parser

All of those harrasements comes from non parser people too. And also seriously, if you going to bring up a healer have to dps, please stop already. If a WHM is asking a BLM for virus, why? They are dps not support, again, why does tank need to use shake it off? Its support, they are tanks not support. I could go all day. If people actually played well, then we might some decent dungeons like AK was with double bees back in the day. If a person is doing grey percentile without a death or just 1 death, something IS TERRIBLE wrong. If a person done a fight 20 times and his average is lets say 30-40% whos fault is that?
And honestly stop think its possible for everyone to do 2k dps in susano and healers do 0 dps and tanks doesn't try to hit good numbers and not hit enrage, that's how bad it is if the very low end players end up together and I've witness it so many times. It's time we couldnt even kill the sword in susano extreme and I did it with my static as ILVL 270!!!!!

[Reinha]

All of those harrasements comes from non parser people too. And also seriously, if you going to bring up a healer have to dps, please stop already.

I do think healers should dps if they can, but some people may think it's wrong to put all of the fault on healers (who may be dealing dps already) if the group is lacking dps. I don't know what the consensus is so that's why I wrote that line.

Saying any of those things could get someone reported atm (for parser use, not necessarily harassment), so I'm thinking that if parser use was no longer a reportable offense then we would see such talk in game as long as it's not classed as harassment. But would it be? Personally I don't think the majority of those lines count as harassment, but some people might disagree.