Would you like an in-game parser?

[LyraKuroneko]

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Fine. Take it however you want then. Seems pointless to argue.
I don't want a parser in this game. The end.

[KaivaC]

Fine. Take it however you want then. Seems pointless to argue.
I don't want a parser in this game. The end.

Fortunately, there's many other players who do want an official parser. At the very least, I'm happy Square decided to adopt a 'don't ask, don't tell' policy. In all my time in Savage, I have yet to be harassed or kicked for DPS numbers, even when the MT is pulling 4500+ on damage and I'm doing about 3500. I don't know where people are saying parsing equals harassment, maybe that was with the Alex runs, but I personally have yet to see it myself.

Side note: I'm on PS4, so I always assume I'm being parsed in high-end duties. Still haven't run into any issues over my damage numbers. In fact, I tend to ask what they are so I can figure out what I'm not doing to break into 4k damage territory.

[Kyuuen]

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And on the same side of that coin you also can't disprove it either. You can say the burden of proof lies with the claimant; which is true, but when people claim there's not enough proof of harassment, it is also demonstrably false, as absence of proof does not equate proof of absence. The only side that can provide any sort of factual numbers for or against either case is the XIV team. But utilizing simple observations of complaints in the mistreatment of certain features; such as the Party Finder and Mentor channels, that turn up on the forums is justification for concern.

Those are feature's meant for making parties and people searching for help respectively. And yet seem to be points of contention, vitriol, and at times harassment if we follow some of the forum complaints. It's not much of a stretch to think or even make claims that a group wide parser will be mistreated. A good tool in the hands of those that know what it's for and how to handle the information, a weapon in the hands of others that don't, and it's not worth the chance of alienating parts of the community moreso than what it is.

A personal parser; which can still go sideways, is better than no parser. A group wide parser is inviting the potential for a lot of unneeded strife.

[SenSaitoru]

I want to say this now I have never done end game content so my opinion may not matter but I'll type it anyway. I can see both sides of the argument here, but I noticed people said people being harassed from parsers is not very common as the "anti parser" player claim it is. To these people it seems even once is enough to make them anti parse.Harrasment is not always the same for everyone, a player could have been told "you suck quit the game" or have a large amount of insults thrown at them and if they have anxiety or depression it could seem much worse to them than others would see it. I know for a fact there are people who parse that are great people. I forgot to mention something if someone tells you you're doing something to wrong please dont over react and throw insults try to keep an open mind and you may improve.

[Miracle_Diva]

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Or people being told that it would be nice if they work on their rotation to improve gameplay and still cry that they were harrased.
I don't really understand how *positive encounters* are being monitored cuz people like to complain and mostly no one run to post here - hey it was a very good fight - everytime instance was cleared, so it doesn't mean negative encounters outweigh positive.

[SenSaitoru]

Or people being told that it would be nice if they work on their rotation to improve gameplay and still cry that they were harrased.

Yeah, I honestly don't understand why some people feel harrased when given feedback. I once had to ask a paladin to use flash more and was met with the all too famous "you don't pay my sub" and how I was a healer and not the tank.

[HyoMinPark]

Yeah, I honestly don't understand why some people feel harrased when given feedback. I once had to ask a paladin to use flash more and was met with the all too famous "you don't pay my sub" and how I was a healer and not the tank.

I think it's almost human nature for people to respond negatively when they think they're being "attacked"; people generally don't like being told they're doing something wrong, especially if they feel they're doing something right. I can be the same way sometimes--try telling me I'm doing things wrong on a melee job and I generally concede because I don't play melee so I probably am doing something wrong. Try telling me I'm doing something wrong on my main (BRD), and I will probably get a bit bristled by it, depending on how it's worded. I don't respond with cheap insults or subscription comments though.

[Zeonsilt]

I mean, it's a lot more useful to be able to say "we hit the enrage because you're doing 1000 DPS"

Which is a "reportable offense", according to general mindset.

I'm on PS4.

That's another part for "why i want an official parser". Especially if later XboxOne/etc players join us.
Official parser is a good thing for console players. In the past a PS4 player (Ninja) asked me on my server to help him with testing 2 different rotations and other stuff. In the end his DPS increased from 3800-3900(his old rotation) to 4300+ (his new rotation), he was pretty happy about it. He was able to beat O4S SSS Dummy after that.

I want to say this now I have never done end game content so my opinion may not matter but I'll type it anyway. I can see both sides of the argument here, but I noticed people said people being harassed from parsers is not very common as the "anti parser" player claim it is. To these people it seems even once is enough to make them anti parse.Harrasment is not always the same for everyone, a player could have been told "you suck quit the game" or have a large amount of insults thrown at them and if they have anxiety or depression it could seem much worse to them than others would see it. I know for a fact there are people who parse that are great people. I forgot to mention something if someone tells you you're doing something to wrong please dont over react and throw insults try to keep an open mind and you may improve.

Good post o/

The main things, that most "anti-parse" people don't understand (or ignore on purpose) are:
- We only need parser for Savage and [latest] Extremes.
- Nobody will force that into Expert dungeons/8-man Normal/24-man/casual content or whatever.
- People already parse in most Savage and Extreme content, adding official parser will help console players and make things more open and fair for everyone.

How many people, who raid Savage (for example) are against parsers? Haven't seen too many, honestly.

[HoodRat]

- We only need parser for Savage and [latest] Extremes.
- Nobody will force that into Expert dungeons/8-man Normal/24-man/casual content or whatever.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but I believe the line needs to be drawn somewhere. I don't expect anywhere near perfect play from people in df, even I am nowhere near playing perfectly. But at the same time, I regularly outdps actual dps I get paired with in df as a tank, and my healer friends can usually outdps them too. On a few occasions, I have even seen people in current endgame content perform worse than what they should in previous endgame content (ie. a brd in HW expert roulette doing only 300 dps on trash pulls and a mnk on Temple of the Fist doing only 2k on trash and 1k on bosses). I don't think many people go into dungeons or normal mode raids with the intention of telling people that their damage is low, but with this level of play there's a high chance they're gonna hear it.

[Taika]

How many people, who raid Savage (for example) are against parsers? Haven't seen too many, honestly.

I'd like to extend this question to "How many people who raid Savage / Ultimate and are performing well are against parsers?" Because I have seen people who do (at least the lower floors of) Savage and are against parsers - while often being in the bottom 10% of the players of their job. Which honestly makes it seem like they're arguing against parsers because they don't want others to be able to see they're being carried through the content. The better option would of course be to take that data and use it as a tool for self improvement.

p.s. Not too many people parse in FF XIV, especially when it's "PC exclusive" feature.

There are currently 181 707 public parses for OS1 alone, each covering 8 players. If you don't find that common, I'm not sure what would be enough for you.