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    Quote Originally Posted by zmandude24 View Post
    Sure why not because it worked out well for the WoW community. I hear people saying they were flamed for low dps in an easy dungeon that takes 10 minutes to clear, not to mention the fact that no one pays attention to raid mechanics in that game due to needing to top the dps meters. Although a personal dps meter is a great idea to gauge how well you are playing your class if you look up guides that show what you should be doing at your level/gear.
    If you fail mechanics, because you're trying to keep up with your dps, your dps will be low... because death... No one cares if you did 1700 dps in that one phase, if you didn't even clear with that dps. A parser can even show you if someone died, trying to reach that dps. Your goal should be, as much dps as I can squeeze without endangering the raid's/party's success.

    I do understand your concern for extremists.
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    Last edited by Rawrz; 05-07-2016 at 05:55 AM.

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    This will be useful for all. I don't think a lot of us give a bad feedback and well as not all of us take criticism as something good cuz they don't want to be pointed out their errors.

    We even have this problem that is not just in game but in our daily routine. People will abuse it or will exaggerate and/or accuse others of abusing it cuz of customer/traditions on how our society is rule by.
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    Tonrak Totorak
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    If anything, a chart displaying total damage/healing done similar to what's seen in PvP will be nice.

    The system is already in place, all the need to do it put it in dungeons
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    Ghishlain Pyrial
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    I actually find it pretty interesting how large the divide is between "Yes" (either option) and "No". Given the amount of animosity that crops up on either side when this discussion pops up, I was expecting a more even split between "No" and "Yes" but this certainly isn't the case.

    I wonder if that'll change over time if we can keep this thread on the front page for a while /think
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
    I actually find it pretty interesting how large the divide is between "Yes" (either option) and "No". Given the amount of animosity that crops up on either side when this discussion pops up, I was expecting a more even split between "No" and "Yes" but this certainly isn't the case.

    I wonder if that'll change over time if we can keep this thread on the front page for a while /think
    It makes it seem like people saying "no" are in such an outrage to state why it shouldn't happen, that they don't even read what was said
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    Reinha Sorrowmoon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
    I actually find it pretty interesting how large the divide is between "Yes" (either option) and "No". Given the amount of animosity that crops up on either side when this discussion pops up, I was expecting a more even split between "No" and "Yes" but this certainly isn't the case.

    I wonder if that'll change over time if we can keep this thread on the front page for a while /think
    The animosity is mostly between those who oppose public display of dps numbers (whether it's through not having a parser or only having a personal parser), and those who want to see other people's numbers. If you look at the votes, very few oppose a tool to improve oneself but more than half oppose the information being on public display.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurie View Post
    I wouldn't say the votes 'oppose' anything, they 'support' something. One can support a personal parser, while not being opposed to a group one. Similarly, one can support a group parser but not be opposed to a personal one. Personally, I am opposed to a personal parser and would rather have a group one, or no parser.
    You can vote more than one option. The ones you don't vote for, you oppose. The ones you do vote for, you support. I predict the personal parser option will end up getting most votes because it's a good compromise.
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    Last edited by Reinha; 05-07-2016 at 06:59 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    The animosity is mostly between those who oppose public display of dps numbers (whether it's through not having a parser or only having a personal parser), and those who want to see other people's numbers. If you look at the votes, very few oppose a tool to improve oneself but more than half oppose the information being on public display.
    I wouldn't say the votes 'oppose' anything, they 'support' something. One can support a personal parser, while not being opposed to a group one. Similarly, one can support a group parser but not be opposed to a personal one. Personally, I am opposed to a personal parser and would rather have a group one, or no parser.

    You can vote more than one option. The ones you don't vote for, you oppose. The ones you do vote for, you support. I predict the personal parser option will end up getting most votes because it's a good compromise.
    While you can vote more than one option, I would not say that not supporting something = opposing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    The animosity is mostly between those who oppose public display of dps numbers (whether it's through not having a parser or only having a personal parser), and those who want to see other people's numbers. If you look at the votes, very few oppose a tool to improve oneself but more than half oppose the information being on public display.


    You can vote more than one option. The ones you don't vote for, you oppose. The ones you do vote for, you support. I predict the personal parser option will end up getting most votes because it's a good compromise.
    I'm inclined to agree with Kaurie's comment on this one. While I didn't vote for Personal Parser it doesn't mean I oppose it either. More information is better, I just feel it's better to have ALL the information readily available. *Inserts my repeated comments about AST here*

    I also imagine there is a lot of overlap with "I support a group parser" and "I support a personal parser" as some posters choose to vote both. To them, it means more information overall in their own performance and they do not care which of these options are implemented (and thus don't care if their DPS information is either public or private).

    As an extension to the comment you responded to, I would be interested in seeing how many people voted to both options of "yes".
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    Last edited by Ghishlain; 05-07-2016 at 07:28 AM.

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    Player Kaurie's Avatar
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    Personally, I think adding anything other than a full, comprehensive, group parser would be a waste of time. It's either a go big or go home sort of deal. If you don't have full access to all pertinent information, it is likely to create frustration in players and users - which increases the chance of hostility.

    There are thousands upon thousands of possible outcomes for every scenario, so I won't pretend to create a 'likely' outcome given a scenario. Instead, I'll just leave my statement above as is.
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    Nicodemus Mercy
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    No I would prefer not to have a parser. I enjoy this game all the more precisely BECAUSE it has less "metermaids" waving their epeens all over the screen than other games.
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    How many men am I involved with? Well that depends... do you mean men as in males? Or just midlanders?

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