Would you like an in-game parser?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Unfortunately, those who are doing the "monitoring" arent really using it as a helpful tool. For every person using it as a helpful tool, there are at least three people being unhelpful tools. Either to stroke their own ePeen, by being condescending pricks tp attack those they deem inferior, or simply to try and segregate themselves from the "baddies". There are enough systems in the game for people to use in order to be jerks to their fellow player, we really dont need to try and put out a fire by pouring gasoline on it.

A personal parser that you alone can see is fine, one that is essentially used to see other peoples parses is a recipe for abuse. Though no one really wants a personal parser but a small minority, the rest want public parsers so they can ostracize the unworthy under the guise of "helpful tool".

If we're going to use anecdotal evidence, I've been in multiple Shinryu and a few Savage pugs with it being made apparent they're parsing yet not a single "condescending" remark. In fact, I more often find people take offense when told they aren't performing well regardless of the tone used. Look at the number of self admitted casual players in this thread generalizing all raiders who parse as toxic or advocating they should be banned instantly. Is it because all raiders are toxic or perhaps they're nervous about being held accountable?

And a personal parse won't accomplish anything. People we just make PFs demanding you post your numbers in chat.

[Canopia]

If we're going to use anecdotal evidence, I've been in multiple Shinryu and a few Savage pugs with it being made apparent they're parsing yet not a single "condescending" remark. In fact, I more often find people take offense when told they aren't performing well regardless of the tone used. Look at the number of self admitted casual players in this thread generalizing all raiders who parse as toxic or advocating they should be banned instantly. Is it because all raiders are toxic or perhaps they're nervous about being held accountable?

And a personal parse won't accomplish anything. People we just make PFs demanding you post your numbers in chat.

Im not generalizing, I did say there were some who used it in a constructive manner but there are more than use it for nonconstructive purposes. Also your point at the bottom just strengthens the "casual players" arguments against parsing than any of the people advocating for them.

Oh and you guys can thumbs up circle jerk all you like, doesnt make your arguments any more convincing

[Miste]

The tales of the DF thread is just as much anecdotal, and nowhere near representative of all the dungeons done.

It's anecdotal, but its existence and a lot of reddit posts cast doubt on the idea that bad play in casual content is rare even if it doesn't objectively prove anything. That would be the reason it was brought up likely since that thread is very active.

For every bad run, there's easily 20 dungeons or more that go off without a hitch.

Made up statistics. Where is your data to back up these numbers?

it's a lot more fun to gripe and feel superior to others.

It's called venting frustrations and looking for validation. It is a human condition and not something we can likely change or avoid except for long term evolution.

We have maybe 800k active players, and people run hundreds if not thousands of instances per day. It's just the bad is more memorable than the good.

Making up statistics again.

People do fine in casual content. Players should address this honestly instead of complaining about something that doesn't exist to the frequency they think it does in game.

Purely your own experience. Just like no one can prove it isn't rare you can't claim everyone does "fine" in casual content and that bad play in casual content doesn't exist (frequently or no) just because of your own personal experience.

They cannot prove it isn't rare just as you cannot prove it is rare so you aren't making any logical sense by trying to claim it is rare. You can't prove anything either.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Players should address this honestly instead of complaining about something that doesn't exist to the frequency they think it does in game. Raising the difficulty curve isn't really going to do much if the end result of most players is expert and the 24 man; it just makes those things a little more annoying and will increase wipes rather than fix them.

It's called a difficulty curve. People struggle with harder content partly because there is no difficult curve in this game. It goes from laughably easy, to moderately hard to "OMG" without any incline. Such is why you have full 340 geared DPS in Shinryu EX who can barely break 3,500 when that should be standard.

Seriously though, it's really quite startling to just pull up the debuffs tab on a log for Skalla. The fact that you're not noticing these mistakes doesn't mean that they aren't being made, rather it highlights just how non impactful they usually are, but I digress, kind of derailing the topic a bit here <3

Actually, I think it correlates well with the lack of difficulty curves. Look at anything pre-70. Most people just try to brute force through everything. Even at 70, once we have slightly above average gear, it becomes "ignore the mechanics. We can just kill it." I've purposely ignored AoE circles in Rabanastre to put up Trick Attack or what have you since I know it won't matter whatsoever and I can usually heal through Bloodbath.

[Selova]

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So....let me get this straight. In order to attempt to make a point that other people's collective anecdotal evidence about bad experiences in group content is extremely rare, you rely on using more anecdotal evidence and made up statistics....what?

[Baingoleth]

A plug-in API would be nice. Then people could make all sorts of useful tools as well as a parser.

[Selova]

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Because there is no argument when you are using made up statistics and what-if scenarios. You make sweeping generalizations about those who are monitoring a parser aka everyone that is running one by making baseless claims that they aren't using it as a helpful aide. I shouldn't have to explain why this line of reasoning doesn't work as a debate tactic.

[Mature]

I just want a personal parser to improve my gameplay by knowing my numbers. I have no interest in knowing how others are doing as I just wanna get better. But at the moment I can't because Im relying on SSS and I don't think it's pretty accurate cause I don't see my downtimes and how to improve them.

I don't see any harm about a personal parser at all.

[Zarabeth]

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If you are on pc you can get ACT and use it to see your own information already. Just don't tell anyone you are using it and you will be fine. There are also striking dummies and they aren't perfect but you can get a good idea of how much damage each spell/skill/rotation can do. Then, while playing, figure out how they work in fights. It's been stated many times that there will never be an in game parser but ti's still possible to make do with what we have now.

[LyraKuroneko]

I'm against parser in game. Already enough cancerous player with the way it is now.
Some will say that you don't need a parser to have this type of player and it's true but you can't report those people easly so...