Would you like an in-game parser?

[Tridus]

Even 24 man raids are a joke now. The other night a friend and I had an experience in Rabanastee where our tank was, essentially, a training dummy for the boss. I tanked our Azure Guard on WHM. No disband.

For anyone who thinks this is an exaggeration: it's not. I was on SCH healing this. Moro literally tanked the Azure Guard phase for our group on WHM. The first time it caused a wipe because we had a hard time keeping up with the surprise extra healing requirement and that mess caused it to not die in time.

The second time, we were ready for it. Moro held it for a while, then it bounced around between a couple of DPS (we think the NIN popped Smoke Screen on her which is what finally got it onto someone else). It was an impressive feat of seven people working together to carry someone. When people say that bad play is exaggerated, I point out that this is a 70 tank who was told explicitly in party chat that he needed to pick that add up on the B marker and somehow failed to do so twice, while a WHM was able to do it. I shouldn't even have needed to explain it since at this point "your healer is being punched in the face" should be enough for a 70 tank... but nope.

We ended up having to kick that guy after Hashmal when he died so many times that both healers stopped raising him. The replacement was a super friendly PLD that barely made it into the third boss because the main tank kept pulling as soon as he got within range without waiting for other people or letting me finish the explanation of the fight that the admitted newbie was asking for, which in itself is not exactly top notch group behavior.

If you think that bad play doesn't exist just because there's no disband, you've missed the point entirely. There's no disband because the difficulty level is low enough that DF groups can carry people. While there's some threshold where that's perfectly fine (levelling dungeons shouldn't require 99th percentile DPS out of everyone), failing at the absolute basic requirements of your job should probably carry a heavier penalty than "the healer can tank it and it's fine".

[Sebazy]

For every person using it as a helpful tool, there are at least three people being unhelpful tools. Either to stroke their own ePeen, by being condescending pricks tp attack those they deem inferior, or simply to try and segregate themselves from the "baddies".

Either you're playing in a manner that paints a target on your own back or you grossly underestimate the number of people that parse.

The overwhelming number of people won't say a peep about dps numbers and such simply because it's a near guaranteed temp ban the moment you put someone's back up.

For most people, they only care about themselves, their static and their triggers.

One thing that is worth noting on this though, even though I'm very much for parsing and such, I do think that even if SE do make moves to build a parser into the game, they should keep to their current rules regarding harassing others over numbers. Simply put, don't do it or you spend time in the GM Jail, no ifs, no buts.

Though no one really wants a personal parser but a small minority, the rest want public parsers so they can ostracize the unworthy under the guise of "helpful tool".

Whilst I do think it's a huge shame that you feel that way, I do at least agree in the sense that a personal parser is a good first step forward. A group wide parser just isn't necessary for casual content and I don't think the community as a whole is ready for that quite yet.

As fot the "no evidence" replies, come on. How many times:

1. have you done a dungeon that takes five-ten more minutes over the average time?

How about over 30 minutes? I've done Skalla in 17 minutes with 1 DPS and 2 healers with FC mates, very few roulette groups do it in under 20.

2. Wiped multiple times in a hard mode trial

The only thing hard about most hard modes is the difficulty in managing to wipe when one of the healers has a pulse =(

3. vote abandoned a 24 man run

Rabanastre's steadily got better now thankfully, I didn't bother with it last week but I'll give it another crack tonight to try and farm up a piece I want.

[Selova]

snip.

Your personal experience is not a representation of the majority. All you're doing is using anecdotal evidence to try to pass it off as fact.

Also, comparing the negative experiences of the tales of the duty funder thread to the media is stretching it quite a bit. Just because you aren't experiencing it doesn't mean the negative experiences others are having aren't true.

[Kuro_Mao]

Don't want it.

[Krotoan]

This thread is not to debate the worth of parsers. It's a simple poll to like posts. It may be bumped, but DO NOT discuss the pros or cons of parsers. There are a substantial amount of parser threads.

Please like the appropriate posts. You may like more than one:

... dooo dee dooo..

[RiyahArp]

The tales of the DF thread is just as much anecdotal, and nowhere near representative of all the dungeons done. For every bad run, there's easily 20 dungeons or more that go off without a hitch. People don't make threads that often saying "Tales from Duty Finder: My dungeon went ok" because it's a lot more fun to gripe and feel superior to others. We have maybe 800k active players, and people run hundreds if not thousands of instances per day. It's just the bad is more memorable than the good.

Peopel are focusing on ex-level content and the inability of players to want to do it or do it well, and projecting it out to the whole base. People do fine in casual content. The issue is that some players want people to want to do or to be better at raids.

Players should address this honestly instead of complaining about something that doesn't exist to the frequency they think it does in game. Raising the difficulty curve isn't really going to do much if the end result of most players is expert and the 24 man; it just makes those things a little more annoying and will increase wipes rather than fix them.

[Arrius]

Peopel are focusing on ex-level content and the inability of players to want to do it or do it well, and projecting it out to the whole base. People do fine in casual content. The issue is that some players want people to want to do or to be better at raids.

If people do 'fine' in casual content, then they shouldn't have any issues being monitored by a parser, no?

[Canopia]

If people do 'fine' in casual content, then they shouldn't have any issues being monitored by a parser, no?

Unfortunately, those who are doing the "monitoring" arent really using it as a helpful tool. For every person using it as a helpful tool, there are at least three people being unhelpful tools. Either to stroke their own ePeen, by being condescending pricks tp attack those they deem inferior, or simply to try and segregate themselves from the "baddies". There are enough systems in the game for people to use in order to be jerks to their fellow player, we really dont need to try and put out a fire by pouring gasoline on it.

A personal parser that you alone can see is fine, one that is essentially used to see other peoples parses is a recipe for abuse. Though no one really wants a personal parser but a small minority, the rest want public parsers so they can ostracize the unworthy under the guise of "helpful tool".

[Oscura]

Unfortunately, those who are doing the "monitoring" arent really using it as a helpful tool. For every person using it as a helpful tool, there are at least three people being unhelpful tools.

Made up statistics are very fun.

[Canopia]

Made up statistics are very fun.

Dont see a counter argument, unless you think making a "meanie poopie head" level comment at me is a "counter argument"