Would you like an in-game parser?

[Sebazy]

And thus the information a personal parse would give them would be useless. because they wouldn't be able to account for where all the dps came from and why.

This very discussion has been done to death over the logs rankings already, there are a few solutions, some more elegant than others.

First up, at the risk of sounding like a stuck record here, my suggested approach of measuring potency per second rather than damage per second gets around this, you can still incorporate personal modifiers and combos whilst isolating it from cross party buffs to keep things simple and easy to understand whilst not misleading people once they start optimising within a static.

Secondly, an alternative to the above is to focus more on a players APM, this is actually the first thing many people will look at when going over logs and is a very useful figure for quickly (if rather vaguely) comparing your performance to someone else's.

Thirdly, if keeping the figure entirely person is key, simply subtracting cross party modifiers is another way to go. Of course this means the numbers will be incorrect and misleading for someone trying to optimise themselves within a static. Not a good solution imo.

Lastly, the approach logs took in the end, just present it as is and let people do with it as they will.

[Dzian]

First up, at the risk of sounding like a stuck record here, my suggested approach of measuring potency per second rather than damage per second gets around this, you can still incorporate personal modifiers and combos whilst isolating it from cross party buffs to keep things simple and easy to understand whilst not misleading people once they start optimising within a static..

This is interesting but I question its accuracy. I'm not entirely sure how potency works but If you are correct and buffs / debuffs etc don't actually affect potency itself then PPS isn't necessarily a good indication of a players performance. a player could achieve quite a high PPS but actualy have a negative impact on there actual DPS.

A warrior for example could never touch the storms eye combo at all or let it drop off for long periods of time and just do more paths or bb combos and from a PPS perspective this would be seen as good play because the 20% damage buff from eye wouldn't affect actual potency. all those extra bbs might actual increase the pps

another example would be monk. in terms of potency a monk would basically never touch dragon kick or twin snakes. boot shine and true strike both offer larger potencies in there respective forms.

or ninja. skip suiton and use ration all the time. tcj your dotons. (if I recall the tcj buff actually means the doton combo is more total potency than the suiton one.

this could then lead to quite a lot of false positives as an increased PPS number could actualy result in decreased DPS.

So I wonder how usefull a PPS number would actually be. as you could effective suck at keeping self buffs and things up but still achieve a high PPS in which case it wouldn't really tell you anything about how optimally you are playing..

it is an interesting idea though.

[Sebazy]

This is interesting but I question its accuracy. I'm not entirely sure how potency works but If you are correct and buffs / debuffs etc don't actually affect potency itself then PPS isn't necessarily a good indication of a players performance. a player could achieve quite a high PPS but actualy have a negative impact on there actual DPS.

You misread my suggestion whoops.

To make a long story short, the way I see it:

Obviously, it'd track the potency values of the actions you apply, combo values and importantly, dot values would be factored in as well.

You could then apply a modifier over this on a per buff basis. Self buffs and job specific weapon type debuffs would need to be taken into account as you say above, it just wouldn't make sense for many DPS jobs if it didn't. Where things get murkier is of course choosing to factor in party buffs such as balance. IMHO the simplest solution here would be to have it to default to self only with an option to include party buffs into the modifier.

From there, you can display 2 numbers, your current potency per second and the modifier you are on at that point in time. Showing both highlights the effect of good buff/debuff usage which again as you say, is rather important.

If there's a sticky point with going with potency per second, it's on how to handle crit and buffs such as litany/chain. Handling straight % buffs and debuffs is no issue tho.

[Ayer2015]

I think the devs have been pretty clear that dps meters are not going to be implemented into the game ever, and have even explained why.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I think the devs have been pretty clear that dps meters are not going to be implemented into the game ever, and have even explained why.

They also once said Paladin will never block magic. Time and opinions change. Furthermore, the explanation they did offer isn't inherently accurate just because they say it. Frankly, it's a bit silly since everyone and their mother knows raiders have ACT running.

[Ayer2015]

They also once said Paladin will never block magic. Time and opinions change. Furthermore, the explanation they did offer isn't inherently accurate just because they say it. Frankly, it's a bit silly since everyone and their mother knows raiders have ACT running.

Did you watch the Live Letter Part XXXV. Its not going to happen. The devs have been very consistent regarding their stance regarding official dps meters, and even 3rd party being against the ToS. I think the attitude on the forums around dps affirms that people would be jerks if dps meters were officially accepted.

But hey, hold out hope if you want.... I don't see it ever happening.

[Jijifli]

Did you watch the Live Letter Part XXXV. Its not going to happen. The devs have been very consistent regarding their stance regarding official dps meters, and even 3rd party being against the ToS. I think the attitude on the forums around dps affirms that people would be jerks if dps meters were officially accepted.

But hey, hold out hope if you want.... I don't see it ever happening.

Personal Housing

While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable.

Because everything said is 100% correct all the time and companies don't cough anything out that is incorrect or false. Never.

[Ayer2015]

Because everything said is 100% correct all the time and companies don't cough anything out that is incorrect or false. Never.

Ok, what have the devs stated regarding their stance on dps meters which is incorrect then?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Did you watch the Live Letter Part XXXV. Its not going to happen. The devs have been very consistent regarding their stance regarding official dps meters, and even 3rd party being against the ToS. I think the attitude on the forums around dps affirms that people would be jerks if dps meters were officially accepted.

But hey, hold out hope if you want.... I don't see it ever happening.

Yes. And I never said I believed they'd implement it nor do I "hold out hope." I simply argued putting to what the devs have said in the past means nothing. They have repeatedly changed their minds hence my example.

I now ask what attitude? This entire thread has been largely civil from the pro parse crowd. In fact, I've seen more "toxic" responses from people from the opposite side. You needs only go back a handful of pages to see yet another blind assumption that only "toxic jerks" want parses when the majority who do favour them do so because they want personal improvement and accountability.

[Ayer2015]

Yes. And I never said I believed they'd implement it nor do I "hold out hope." I simply argued putting to what the devs have said in the past means nothing. They have repeatedly changed their minds hence my example.

I now ask what attitude? This entire thread has been largely civil from the pro parse crowd. In fact, I've seen more "toxic" responses from people from the opposite side. You needs only go back a handful of pages to see yet another blind assumption that only "toxic jerks" want parses when the majority who do favour them do so because they want personal improvement and accountability.

Have you not seen all the treads regarding other players not doing enough dps in casual content?