Would you like an in-game parser?

[Zeonsilt]

If it would be the DPS that would avoid the queue, then it would actually be very good for the queue time. There is a massive excess of DPS caused by various things, and anything that would remove those excess DPS would speed up queue times.

The large reason that people play DPS also: when they perform bad, they can blame other DPS, Healers or whatever and get away with it.

As a DPS player, i'm all up for faster derps queues! \o/

The drawback is clear however that people with certain social or mental issues, like social anxiety or depression, may go the other way around.

I'm pretty sure that those people don't raid Savage content, aside from few examples. They should be save in EX Primals, Expert Dungeons, Normal Raid Dungeons, 24-ppl Raid /etc. No one will point fingers at people in those instances.

p.s. They can also form a party themselves with rules like "no rage, practice party 1st time" etc.

[Yeol]

sorry, but anything short of high-difficulty content is not going to provide a lot of self-improvement...

Where exactly in my post did I specify which content I want to be more difficult (Less brain dead)?
I said it in a general term. As in everything needs to be considered, from solo content to group content.

... no one wants to look bad ... That's why they will try to get better once they see they do poorly. It's called a "shock therapy"... it is the quickest and most effective way to get better. The drawback is clear however that people with certain social or mental issues, like social anxiety or depression, may go the other way around.

I understand what you are saying but sadly I rarely see this happening in-game.
I'll give you an example. When someone is failing mechanics a lot or not using some of their skills/abilities and gets called out for it. What do you usually see them do?
They either, defend themselves or rage quit. You'll rarely see someone apologizing and willing to learn. We even have a popular topic about these encounters in the forums.

So letting people know that they are doing something bad isn't always going to make them want to improve. Not with the 'you don't pay my sub' mentality.

By making parse public we will improve in the long run, but we'll go through a very harsh phase where kicking dead weight is allowed. Which is what the dev team don't want. Thus why they are trying to close the gap between good players and bad players first.

[Dualgunner]

Sorry taika, I'm not bothering with you this time around but feel free to disagree.

Woooooooooooooooow. That's the fastest shutdown on the forums I've seen. There's no "agree to disagree" here, just the cold fact that your claim got refuted fast and hard.

[popotaro]

[Dualgunner]

https://youtu.be/P3ALwKeSEYs

[Sebazy]

Back on topic, I've made a few posts on this subject in the past:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...parser-problem

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Ms-hate-her%21

I honestly don't think we will get an out right in-game parser at this stage without a very major u-turn from Yoshida. A party wide one is just going to light a fire under the populace and whilst I personally don't think there's any reason not to have an optional self only private parser of sorts in the game that's usable in proper content. Again that's a highly sensitive subject for some.

IMHO my favourite approach now would be a blend of the above two suggestions I made:

Anonymously log every last player's potency per second across the run whilst in instanced content. Use that to build an approximate series of rankings similar to the logs percentiles for each job. Take that and score a player at the end of the duty. Nothing precise or offensive, simply S-A-B-C-D-E-F or such.

It'd be effortless to implement, completely gear agnostic and most importantly, it'd be a good subtle way to give feed back as to how well or badly a player might be performing. Frankly I wouldn't even put achievements on it to minimise the agro potential of it.

[Mycow8me]

Yes I got shut down by the first few pages of a single thread in regards to my overall experience on the forums regarding parsers. Again, I've said my part for the nth time on these forums and feel free to disagree.

There is no “agree to disagree”. Anyone who has actually read the parser discussions on here knows that a lot of people comment about wanting one because they want to know how to self-improve, and the self-improvement argument is one of the largest arguments people make FOR parsers. Please read the threads in full instead of only reading what you want to read next time you want to contribute to a topic. It will help further your own arguments that way.

Please understand promoting parsers for self improvement purposes is not the same thing as asking for them for those reasons. These people have already agreed that they might be able to improve with them. Our experiences probably vary.

[Taika]

Our experiences probably vary.

As already pointed out, this is not a question of personal "experiences" or feelings. You claimed:

Very rarely do you run into an actual conversation promoting parsers as a tool for self improvement

While anyone can surely open any parser discussion thread, and I can bet within 10 random pages you will find conversation about promoting parsers as a tool for self improvement (unless the thread has derailed or that particular part of the thread would somehow happen to be discussing a very specific issue). You made a claim and its truth is not difficult to check.

(Also, I don't know what you meant with "not going to bother with me", but this is in no way personal from my side, I have no idea who you are and no opinion of you as a person, I'm only replying to what you write and I suggest you do the same. Or not, if you don't want to. )

[Dualgunner]

Yes I got shut down by the first few pages of a single thread in regards to my overall experience on the forums regarding parsers. Again, I've said my part for the nth time on these forums and feel free to disagree.

Yes, your anecdote got shut down by random sample selection. You then adopted some "I said my piece agree to disagree if you must" that really just makes me question why you bothered prefacing your desire for a private self parser with such a blatantly anecdotal claim.

[Mycow8me]

Yes, your anecdote got shut down by random sample selection. You then adopted some "I said my piece agree to disagree if you must" that really just makes me question why you bothered prefacing your desire for a private self parser with such a blatantly anecdotal claim.

The same reason you keep insisting i got shut down i guess. In hopes that something will change.