Would you like an in-game parser?

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

I see, I guess I misunderstood and assumed you were classifying anyone who cares about a parser to be a 'metermaid'. I feel that your argument would go a lot further if you used more respectful language though.

I suppose I can understand where you are coming from. I'm older, a bit jaded, and a bit cynical from gaming over multiple decades, so I have some "baggage", as it were, which colors my view of things in games and thus affects my response to certain topics. I do apologize if my choice of words did not sit well with you.

[Donaria]

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[cammi]

I'm VERY new to this game and mmos in general. My first mmo was Tera - Don't give me that look - This is my second. I main monk and if you've ran with me ever I hope I never provided poor DPS. I think I do tho as I'm still learning and doing things to my rotation as we speak. I used to be against DPS meters in Tera as it's kindof toxic there. But here I'm in a different stance, I wouldn't mind at all for a DPS meter and wouldn't mind if my DPS was shown. I only want to improve and even in dungeons where I KNOW I sucked people have been really nice to me. I don't think I've ever been told I suck even when I know I did. I honestly think people who are saying no are jaded with most fanbases. This has been the most untoxic game I've EVER played in all my video game life. I think a DPS meter could do nothing but help everyone, look. If people are going to be toxic not having a DPS meter isn't going to stop them.


I see no harm in putting one in, it's just a tool. Assholes will be assholes with or without said tools honestly.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

I see no harm in putting one in, it's just a tool. Assholes will be assholes with or without said tools honestly.

You see no harm because this community is fairly pleasant. But you also saw how toxic Terra was. Assholes might be assholes with or without tools... but why give them tools they'd likely misuse to turn this pleasant community into yet another cesspool of toxicity? I'm not saying that would definitely happen, but why take the chance? There's already a 3rd party tool you can use to measure your own dps. Any of us can use that for personal improvement along with SSS and still maintain the nice community we have.

[Ashkendor]

You see no harm because this community is fairly pleasant. But you also saw how toxic Terra was. Assholes might be assholes with or without tools... but why give them tools they'd likely misuse to turn this pleasant community into yet another cesspool of toxicity? I'm not saying that would definitely happen, but why take the chance? There's already a 3rd party tool you can use to measure your own dps. Any of us can use that for personal improvement along with SSS and still maintain the nice community we have.

There's no empirical proof that adding a parser would suddenly turn the community into a toxic cesspool either. You probably get parsed every single day and don't even know it because most people that run parsers don't say a word about it ingame for fear of persecution. Adding an official parser wouldn't suddenly make berating someone about their numbers not qualify as harassment either, so people would still have recourse if someone was being a dick to them over parse numbers. FYI, PS3 and PS4 users cannot use the existing third party software, which is why people keep advocating for either 1) addon support or 2) an ingame parser. It's patently unfair to those users (and PS3 and PS4 actually make up a substantial portion of the playerbase, at least in my experience) to have to basically beg someone on a PC rig to parse them.

[Seraphix2407]

No I would prefer not to have a parser. I enjoy this game all the more precisely BECAUSE it has less "metermaids" waving their epeens all over the screen than other games.

It's funny how you wanna promote good community same time build a bad one like Kauri says:

I find it interesting that you are alluding to preferring the better community here, but then use terms like 'metermaids' and 'epeens'.

@Nico, honestly that's your opinion but when you wanna do content with people like me, you better play well, if not sorry, not gonna sit there and wipe just because you wanna use your terms ''epeen, metermaids'' And by that I mean, you seem like one of those players who refuses to play as a team rather pulling your own strings and let a team down, simply because you refuse to do your job.
Just being honest here.

[Ryel]

Yes, adding one is long overdue

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

It's funny how you wanna promote good community same time build a bad one like Kauri says:

@Nico, honestly that's your opinion but when you wanna do content with people like me, you better play well, if not sorry, not gonna sit there and wipe just because you wanna use your terms ''epeen, metermaids'' And by that I mean, you seem like one of those players who refuses to play as a team rather pulling your own strings and let a team down, simply because you refuse to do your job.
Just being honest here.

Then allow me to be just as honest.

You have no data to support making assumptions on my level of play. My words here have no bearing on my performance in game.

I'm all for people pulling their weight. I do my best in whatever game I play. If you took the time to read the other posts I made following that which you quoted, you'd have learned I've used meters in the past in many games and understand how valuable a tool they can be in personal/group betterment. But, as I also mentioned before, not everyone uses them properly. Instead they use them to berate and belittle others or to needlessly prop up their own self-esteem. I may never have been on the receiving end of such treatment but I've seen it happen to others and I don't like it.

You can assume just because I don't like to see other people talked down to or made to feel bad because they may not be as good as you, that I'm a bad player, but you'd be largely mistaken. I'm certainly not the best but I do well enough at what ever role I choose to focus on to successfully clear the content I engage in with minimal to zero wipes. If I'm inclined to engage in progression/bleeding edge content, I'm the type of player you want on your team because I do everything I can to eek out as good a performance as possible. But that doesn't mean I have to be blind to the how people misuse tools like meters and the affects it has in online game communities over several decades.

Just because I'm jaded and cynical doesn't make me bad at the game and trying to shift focus from the topic at hand to how well I may or may not perform in a game is just childish. There's my honest reply.

[Laerune]

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This, 100% this.

[Dorander]

I am not sure if you fully read my post. It made little sense because you said, "The closest thing to an official parser is already in game." SSS is not the 'closest thing to a parser' - so by that extension, I made the assumption that you were saying 'the closest thing [in the game] to a parser'. However, that may have been an incorrect assumption. In which case, your sentence makes sense, it is just incorrect.

To add on to the second part of your post. The devs have said mixed things regarding parsers, and I am unsure exactly their stance. To be honest, I feel this may have to do with meaning lost in translation of interviews and live letters. That said, even if the dev team is strongly opposed to a parser, if the majority of their user base wants one, it would probably be in their best business interests to oblige. I believe that is the entire purpose of this thread and the votes on the first page.

Oh I fully read your post. "The closest thing to an official parser is already in game." means exactly what it means. Something that messures your dps output. Stop being obtuse. SSS is exactly that. Something you can do in game to find out if you have enough dps for a particular encounter.

As for the dev's stance: No they have not said mixed things. They do not want them. They turn a blind eye to them if you don't use them for harassment purposes. However, they will not ever officially endorse or code one in the game.

That's not something you say to someone, unless you are genuinely concerned and you phrase it more respectfully. It's a very rude way of disagreeing with someone.

Smart enough to pick up on that one, huh? That was the point.