Would you like an in-game parser?

[Reiryuu]

As for the bannable offense note, I was adding to what the person I quoted said. I am not sure if you missed it, He qualified that you would need to actually harass someone to get punished. Which makes the ToS part of the parser sort-of useless or redundant, as harassment is already a separate clause and as he said, they will turn a blind eye if you don't harass. So in effect, the only thing at play here is harassment.

Well, it's unlikely someone's going to report you to a GM just for using a parser, is it not?

My guess, from the context that three people rolled, one after another, that this was after a boss, therefore single target.

I was assuming that she was commenting on what was going on for the full run, not just one boss fight and she did imply that they might wipe just because the BLM wasn't using the ability.

[Kaurie]

Well, it's unlikely someone's going to report you to a GM just for using a parser, is it not?

I think you are completely misunderstanding what I am saying. I am saying that the parser is against the ToS, and that harassment is against the ToS. You will be banned for harassing someone. You will be banned for harassing someone based on a parser. You will not be banned for a parser. Therefore, the parser clause is not actually enforced and only the harassment clause is reinforced. Which makes the parser clause either redundant, incomplete, or incorrect.

[Launched]

While I use Enochian a lot when I play black mage, there is this posted on the forums:

Were you AoEing 4+ mobs a lot in fractal? Most groups I run into in DF do.

Even if you shouldn't try to keep it up, you should still be popping it on trash packs for the 5% extra damage.

Well, it's unlikely someone's going to report you to a GM just for using a parser, is it not?

People will report just for mentioning a parser because they know it's bannable, even if nothing offensive was said.

[KonOkami]

Well, it's unlikely someone's going to report you to a GM just for using a parser, is it not?

I think you are completely misunderstanding what I am saying. I am saying that the parser is against the ToS, and that harassment is against the ToS. You will be banned for harassing someone. You will be banned for harassing someone based on a parser. You will not be banned for a parser. Therefore, the parser clause is not actually enforced and only the harassment clause is reinforced. Which makes the parser clause either redundant, incomplete, or incorrect.

Actually I know people that have been reported just for using one and have received warnings from GMs. Don't personally know someone who was banned for it without harassing but I also can't say it hasn't happened.

[Seraphix2407]

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Yes boss so single target.

[Reiryuu]

I think you are completely misunderstanding what I am saying. I am saying that the parser is against the ToS, and that harassment is against the ToS. You will be banned for harassing someone. You will be banned for harassing someone based on a parser. You will not be banned for a parser. Therefore, the parser clause is not actually enforced and only the harassment clause is reinforced. Which makes the parser clause either redundant, incomplete, or incorrect.

Um, I did quote the TOS there. Harassment is one thing. Using a parser is one thing. Using both is two "wrongs" I suppose. I, personally, have never heard of someone being banned simply for using a parser until the people just above me here mentioned it. I thought I heard Yoshida say he didn't really mind parsing so long as it wasn't abused, but I could be wrong on that and it's late here so I'm tired and my memory is failing. But they're not really redundant. One says no unauthorized 3rd party software. The other one says don't harass people and that includes things other than parsed numbers. Now, I do remember someone on either Masamune or my current server (Valefor)-- it was a long time ago and I can't remember which server I was on at the time, who got banned for being a douche and harassing some Japanese players... so I don't really get how they are redundant or being weighed out over other forms of harassment...? Is my brain just totally going dead here?

[Rawrz]

I was assuming that she was commenting on what was going on for the full run, not just one boss fight and she did imply that they might wipe just because the BLM wasn't using the ability.

I don't think it was a fear of wiping, so much as keeping yourself to a standard/respect for the party. Everyone in the situation acted with hostility, even the "victim" who suggested enochian and got kicked. If they could see their own numbers and understand that they fell behind the other dps, maybe the hostility would have been met with acceptance instead. If I was in the run and after our chat, the black mage began using enochian, they would have gotten my commendation, but instead the third party member butted his head in where it didn't belong. In that case, a group parser could have helped him to understand how Enochian makes a difference, since he doesn't have a BLM himself and that enochian increases all damage, not just unlocking fire IV/Bliz IV..

[Kaurie]

Um, I did quote the TOS there. Harassment is one thing. Using a parser is one thing. Using both is two "wrongs" I suppose. I, personally, have never heard of someone being banned simply for using a parser until the people just above me here mentioned it. I thought I heard Yoshida say he didn't really mind parsing so long as it wasn't abused, but I could be wrong on that and it's late here so I'm tired and my memory is failing. But they're not really redundant. One says no unauthorized 3rd party software. The other one says don't harass people and that includes things other than parsed numbers. Now, I do remember someone on either Masamune or my current server (Valefor)-- it was a long time ago and I can't remember which server I was on at the time, who got banned for being a douche and harassing some Japanese players... so I don't really get how they are redundant or being weighed out over other forms of harassment...? Is my brain just totally going dead here?

Yes, you quoted the ToS as if you thought I was saying it wasn't in the ToS - I was simply responding to a quote that said rule 2 is only in effect when coupled with rule 1, which makes rule 2 pointless.
They're simply redundant, because the rule is only applied when the other rule is enforced. In other scenarios, as said by the person I quoted, you're unlikely to have anything happen.

Anyway, this is such a pointless conversation.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Don't forget, according to reports about that run that people posted, there were a couple of party members that stated the BLM started using Enochian more, and that she was still fairly new to the job. I mean, it's frikkin expert roulette, not some EX primal, and more importantly, insulting a player by calling them a bot is not conducive to a helpful, co-operative atmosphere.

If anything, the only thing bringing that up proves is that the "pro parser" crowd is excessively judgemental in content that doesn't require it, but that's open for interpretation.

[DGladius]

I don't get why there are people who queue for group content of any kind and play as if they don't care much and don't want to be accountable for their level of play. If you don't care and only want to half-ass your performance you shouldn't queue into any group content until you are willing to be fully committed to play at a good level. If you aren't as knowledgeable with the job you want to play yet, then go research and ask for advice and get some practice in to improve. When you queue for something put your good effort in as you would want the same from the rest of the party members.