Would you like an in-game parser?

[AlphaFox]

People are always going to find way to try and kick or complain about people, it just happens. From the Blackmage who is just learning or only uses Ice to the Healer who just heals instead of DPSing. A parser will help those who really wish to try (and if its a self parser then no worry), we have many people who are already using parsers and silently judging you every run, they just don't say it. Will people get more vocal or try to be rude? Only the ones who would find reasons to complain or kick you to begin with but if people see you trying I would hope common sense will tell them to shut up rather than get snarky and say "Why arn't you hitting more!?! I can do __ dps".

Granted I know I would get the eye twitch going if I could see DPS of everyone and saw the healer constantly at 0.

[Deathgiver]

There's this game I play, where I read the parser threads and then look up the players most vocally for and against parsing on fflogs. You'd never guess where the people against usually fall on the dps scale :þ

[Kallera]

There's this game I play, where I read the parser threads and then look up the players most vocally for and against parsing on fflogs. You'd never guess where the people against usually fall on the dps scale :þ

People do not want to be ostracized for their playing, regardless of how good they are or wether you think they "deserve it".

[Deathgiver]

People do not want to be ostracized for their playing, regardless of how good they are or wether you think they "deserve it".

Let me be clear, I run roulette with 2 other fc mates all the time, and someone almost always has a parser up. Do we use the info to tell people that they suck? No. We get a laugh out of the real bads, and we use the info amongst ourselves to compete or better our own game play. The people most vocally against parsing are usually those who have 0 interest in not only bettering themselves, but even putting in the effort it would take to play Mario Kart. If those numbers were in their faces maybe they would engage in their roles more.

[MaeIsMean]

Let me be clear, I run roulette with 2 other fc mates all the time, and someone almost always has a parser up. Do we use the info to tell people that they suck? No. We get a laugh out of the real bads, and we use the info amongst ourselves to compete or better our own game play. The people most vocally against parsing are usually those who have 0 interest in not only bettering themselves, but even putting in the effort it would take to play Mario Kart. If those numbers were in their faces maybe they would engage in their roles more.

How about instead of laughing at them, you ask someone who is doing really awful if they would like help fine tuning their rotation? Instead of assuming they "have 0 interest in not only bettering themselves", wouldn't it be better to assume they are new, don't know where to research how to improve their dps, or that something came up IRL that is interfering with their ability to play at their best? I guess you'd rather just "get a laugh out of the real bads."

P.S. i support a personal parser. I'd like to see if changes I make to my gear or rotations are positive changes or not. I don't care to see anyone elses numbers, and don't really care if other people see mine.

[Deathgiver]

How about instead of laughing at them, you ask someone who is doing really awful if they would like help fine tuning their rotation?

We do offer advice... My core group of friends in the game all do tons of teaching parties and offer advice wherever we can. The people I refer to as real bads are the ones who can't even be arsed to press a button every 2.5 seconds, and no amount of advice is going to fix lazy. I'm talking about the i230 geared DPS jobs pulling less than 500 dps. Honestly, I'm happy if someone hits 800 dps on a boss, at least they're putting in some effort, and not just expecting someone to carry them while they're semi-afk.

[Deathgiver]

But it's ok to laugh at them with your 2 buddies, and sneer and call them "real bad" behind their back? Cuz that's what the person I responded to said they did. It's ok if you don't know how to offer help, so you say nothing. But it's not ok to just say "Har har, that MNK is terribad." to your two FC buddies who are in the roulette with you. You don't know the whole story on the MNK, and you have no idea if they're having an off day, if they're drunk, if their kid suddenly came up and puked on them (this has happened to me....), if they had a terrible day at work and really just want to mindlessly mash buttons for half an hour.... I'm sure you don't play at 110%, 110% of the time. To judge someone based off one roulette, to laugh at them... it's not fair, and adding a parser will only result in those insults becoming public, because people feel like they have the right to tell others they're terrible.

Aside from the fact that you're putting words I didn't say into the your "quotes" of things I didn't say into your argument, you're missing the simple fact that no one is saying they expect the people they play with to do 110 % any of them time (outside of progression statics). Most of us would just be happy with someone who didn't leach and pull less dps then I could accomplish with a single macro, 40 ilvls less gear and no thought put into the process at any point. The reason people keep pointing out the sub 500 dps players is because on pretty much every job you can do more than that just by spamming a 100 potency attack every 2.5 seconds while you're auto attacking.

I literally was curious what it would take to get this low, so I macroed my bard, who was equipped in a mix of 170-195 gear, a combined ilvl of 161 with no head or hands equipped. Using only a heavy shot macro with some of the oGCD skills and buffs my bard puts out over 600 dps in that crap gear. No WM, all I had to do to hit 600 was press 1 button twice every GCD. If my gear was up to date this would have been closer to 850-900 range. Why is it wrong for people to ask for at least that level of effort?

As far as your comments about the players situation:

Off Day - Never said I expect rotational perfection, and I don't believe anyone else who has posted on the issue has stated they do either. People can have off days, and if they aren't holding back the group that's more than fine.

Drunk - Flat out not my problem. If I wanted to hang out with drunk people I'd head to the pub.

Sick kid - I get it, I've had emergencies mid-run too. If it's going to be a hindrance to the party I drop, if it's going to be quick I'll excuse myself in chat. If I'm the other person in the group I'll ask if they need a minute. we're not talking about 1-5 minutes of the dungeon to deal with a problem where you dps goes to 0 or virtually nothing, we're talking about the course of a whole 15-30 minute run where someone is consistently underperforming.

Bad day at work...want to mash buttons - See my comments about the macro above.

Literally the only way to hit under 500 dps is to not be doing anything a really good chunk of the time. If you want to participate in group activities, you should be doing your part for the group, even if it's bare minimum. How many people have complained about enrage on Brute Justice this patch? The party dps requirement is only like 4k, which even if the healers aren't dpsing at all, and the tanks are perma tank stance running 500 dps only requires an average of 650 dps form the actual damage dealers. Despite this low requirement parties are still hitting enrage, sometimes even without anyone dying. Those players causing the wipe are basically expecting everyone else to do literally twice the output they do so they can float along in their happy cloud. Parsers would add some accountability to these leaches.

[Kallera]

Let me be clear, I run roulette with 2 other fc mates all the time, and someone almost always has a parser up. Do we use the info to tell people that they suck? No. We get a laugh out of the real bads, and we use the info amongst ourselves to compete or better our own game play. The people most vocally against parsing are usually those who have 0 interest in not only bettering themselves, but even putting in the effort it would take to play Mario Kart. If those numbers were in their faces maybe they would engage in their roles more.

I may like to know parser numbers on occasion but, I would not trust an official tool, nor do I need to be playing savage to say "I would rather not have official parser numbers become a constant judge of how i should be treated in a party."

[Johaandr]

There's this game I play, where I read the parser threads and then look up the players most vocally for and against parsing on fflogs. You'd never guess where the people against usually fall on the dps scale :þ

loool wats dis. I DO use parser but only for MYSELF. Cuse i dont care about others. People like you are "forced" to do perfect thing. Just sayin.

[Rawrz]

loool wats dis. I DO use parser but only for MYSELF. Cuse i dont care about others. People like you are "forced" to do perfect thing. Just sayin.

The void ark fflogs are pretty common. It's nice, although somewhat unfair since its faceroll content. Really wish I could look at a parse from an expert run to see exactly how much Selene heals. My last dungeon I used one Lustrate during active combat. xD Adlo and SS between pulls. Thank God for Sprint.

Being able to see healing contributions and overheal during raids would ideal as well.