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    Player Yuni_Queen's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adventica6 View Post
    Drk: Bloodweapon is usually useless because it can't be used with grit, really bad design for blood weapon.
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    WHAT?!
    Usually useless?!

    What are you, casul?!

    Don't tell me you are sitting in grit whole fight, regardless of raid/challenge/trial.

    Indeed if you need to take Tank-buster on yourself, you use grit.
    As well as in opening, to create some hate.
    But sitting in grit for a longer time is vicious for you mp pool, so it's absolutely not advised!

    While i understand there are fights, when either your item level or healers force you to use grit more often,
    you can't say Blood Weapon is usually useless. It is actually only one offensive buff we have (Dark Arts is not a buff, it's a must), that has not only savage TP reduction, but also savage Skill speed increase and savage mp refresh. It is almost a stance itself, thats why i had doubts if we get offensive stance at all! This skill is Savage!
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    Last edited by Yuni_Queen; 05-11-2016 at 11:03 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuni_Queen View Post
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    Hmmm...
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    WHAT?!
    Usually useless?!

    What are you, casul?!

    Don't tell me you are sitting in grit whole fight, regardless of raid/challenge/trial.

    Indeed if you need to take Tank-buster on yourself, you use grit.
    As well as in opening, to create some hate.
    But sitting in grit for a longer time is vicious for you mp pool, so it's absolutely not advised!

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    I'd like to see you hold agro against my blm for more than 1 second without being in grit, I pull off experienced tanks IN GRIT, so don't tell people to not use their tank stance, I don't feel like tanking for you thanks very much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adventica6 View Post
    I'd like to see you hold agro against my blm for more than 1 second without being in grit, I pull off experienced tanks IN GRIT, so don't tell people to not use their tank stance, I don't feel like tanking for you thanks very much.
    Except Yuni said to pull in grit tho to establish hate.
    If you're still pulling hate even if they are in grit, then either you are not using quelling or the tanks you describe are not as experienced as you make out.
    As long as I quell pre-pull, I can go through a fully buffed opener as BLM and our drk will hold hate. if he see I'm close to taking aggro, he'll know he needs to up his hate as I won't be pulling my punches
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    Player Yuni_Queen's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adventica6 View Post
    I'd like to see you hold agro against my blm for more than 1 second without being in grit, I pull off experienced tanks IN GRIT, so don't tell people to not use their tank stance, I don't feel like tanking for you thanks very much.
    Quote Originally Posted by randysquirrel View Post
    Except Yuni said to pull in grit tho to establish hate
    No problem. No, really, i am not having problems with tanking against BLMs that cast 2nd fire IVs before i even end power slash. And i was playing with some 1700-1800 pumping BLMs.
    Also, Randy managed to notice as well, you do not read carefully. However that could be a simple oversight, so no malice.
    I am glad you are good dps pulling hate off experienced DRKs, but you know, if you say Blood Weapon is usually useless, i doubt if you see the difference between good DRK and bad DRK :P
    I know very experienced DRKs, that use plunge rather than unmend to pull stuff, and indeed, i woudn't say, that experience gives playing-class-skills.

    So no. Myth Busted.

    I am glad you woudn't tank for me, i quess i would get cancer. Thank you.
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    Last edited by Yuni_Queen; 05-12-2016 at 06:03 AM.

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    [QUOTE=Yuni_Queen;3695319]
    I know very experienced DRKs, that use plunge rather than unmend to pull stuff, and indeed, i woudn't say, that experience gives playing-class-skills.



    i tend to pop unmend and immediaely plunge before it even hits, tbh is this acceptable?
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    it isnt useless, but it really shouldnt be locked out of tank stance, seriously
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adventica6 View Post
    Drk: Bloodweapon is usually useless because it can't be used with grit, really bad design for blood weapon.
    Pardon my ignorance since I don't really dabble with this games mechanics that much but I thought blood weapon was a good off tank skill for bosses and raids keeps your MP up while you spam your Dark Arts stuff, I'm paranoid that I've been playing it wrong and giving everyone a hard time. :c
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yasuhiro View Post
    Pardon my ignorance since I don't really dabble with this games mechanics that much but I thought blood weapon was a good off tank skill for bosses and raids keeps your MP up while you spam your Dark Arts stuff, I'm paranoid that I've been playing it wrong and giving everyone a hard time. :c
    Thats fine if youre not supposed to use/spam dark arts while in grit also, but you do
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    BW isn't useless for the most part. Kind of pedantic to lock it out of Grit though. Just like it's pedantic to lock us out of MP battery skills like Mage's Ballad to have artificial skill ceilings for MP management and gimping a support class's support options. One of the few fights you probably won't have BW is final boss in Vault. Because that guy is mean.

    If anything I want to see something happen with DRK in general. It is too reliant on it's healer to get anything done. Plus I hate Living Dead. And the fact all it's progressional skills just work against each other.
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    I'shtola Maqa
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    Well in Adventica's defence i also pull hate buuut it may be the cause of bad tanks, not sure.
    My opener is really hard on tanks though, lol
    And yes Quelling Strikes> use it

    edit: also Bard aoe is not "useless" like some perceive, those that say so are just not very good.
    Aoe buff is not what Bard needs.
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    Last edited by Maero; 05-13-2016 at 09:27 PM.

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