Thread: Thoughts on primals 2.0

Originally Posted by Hyrist

I'm not too keen on a system that reserves the complete access to one Primal to exclusively one Free Company. As it allows restrictive play for the 'best' primals to always bein the hands of a 'select few' Free Companies that will just cycle them around.

It removes the sense of access for other shells who might want to rise to the occasion once in a while and have their own primal to summon.

So as a counter-proposal, let me offer what I've dubbed the 'Whisper System'. Here are the rules.

- A free Company defeating a Primal battle gains access to a company key item called "Whisper of [Element]" (Ex, Whisper of Embers, Whisper of Gales.) This items enables you summon the primal.

- Each Company can only hold onto one wisper at a time. However, multiple Companies can hold onto the same element whisper.

- Summoning the Primal to fight in battle with you will cause the whisper to disappear from the Company's access and must be acquired again.

- Only one instance of the Primal can be out in an area at a time. (So if Company A has Ifrit out, Company B cannot summon it.)

- Once the Primal is dismissed, there is a global cool-down in the zone before the same Primal may be summoned again.




The aim is to keep the 'godlike' and unique feel of the Primal without restricting it's use to a 'one group' or 'one zone' at a time. Additionally, the global timer will prevent abuse of multiple Companies simply re-summoning the Primal in PvP or PvE every time it goes down and encourage getting various different whispers if it is intended to use multiple primals on the field.

If Yoshi is really serious about it, then this would be a much better way to go about it. I approve of this idea.

I love most of Yoshi P's ideas, but I don't think this is a very good one... I dunno, maybe it just needs to be worked on a bit but I can spot many flaws in its current state. For one this means there will be no Summoner job. Also this will cause major ballance issues. If the Primals are too strong they will be a requirement when harder fights are implemented. If they're too weak then they'll be useless and noone'll want to use them after the first few weeks.

I don't know... it just doesn't seem to fit with either the FF theme or be practical from an MMO standpoint.

Originally Posted by Syrous

I love most of Yoshi P's ideas, but I don't think this is a very good one... I dunno, maybe it just needs to be worked on a bit but I can spot many flaws in its current state. For one this means there will be no Summoner job. Also this will cause major ballance issues. If the Primals are too strong they will be a requirement when harder fights are implemented. If they're too weak then they'll be useless and noone'll want to use them after the first few weeks.

I don't know... it just doesn't seem to fit with either the FF theme or be practical from an MMO standpoint.

Wait, what current state? We just read a few tidbits of content under development that will maybe be out in over 1 year. You really think that the dev team don't have your concerns in mind?

How exactly does that kill the summoner job? Way to make assumptions

Originally Posted by northernsky

Wait, what current state? We just read a few tidbits of content under development that will maybe be out in over 1 year. You really think that the dev team don't have your concerns in mind?

How exactly does that kill the summoner job? Way to make assumptions

First of all, take a deep breath and count to ten, nothing I said warrants you getting your panties in a twist. When I said "in it's current state" I meant this idea, I know full well it's still a long way away from being finalized. Don't need to get all defensive on me.

Secondly, about the killing the summoner job bit, if summons are restricted to groups of people and they can only be called once every time you kill the corresponding Primal, what do summoners do when they can't summon? Also, that creates a few more problems, either you would absolutely need a summoner in the free company to summon a Primal, or anyone could do it no matter what job. Either one doesn't seem right to me. They would need to be able to summon something other than primals, like elementals in FFXI, or give them another role to play. Was I clear enough this time?

Originally Posted by Syrous

First of all, take a deep breath and count to ten, nothing I said warrants you getting your panties in a twist. When I said "in it's current state" I meant this idea, I know full well it's still a long way away from being finalized. Don't need to get all defensive on me.

Secondly, about the killing the summoner job bit, if summons are restricted to groups of people and they can only be called once every time you kill the corresponding Primal, what do summoners do when they can't summon? Also, that creates a few more problems, either you would absolutely need a summoner in the free company to summon a Primal, or anyone could do it no matter what job. Either one doesn't seem right to me. They would need to be able to summon something other than primals, like elementals in FFXI, or give them another role to play. Was I clear enough this time?

They can also introduce lesser spirits that serve the primals, expanding the list of summons introduced(ex: if ifrit is the primal, spirits can be Salamando, Phoenix, Belias, Bomb)each with situational strentghs/weaknesses. That wouldn't kill the summoner class at all.

Also, if the storyline is to be believed, you will need summoner"s" not just one. You are speedialing a god, you know.