Thoughts on primals 2.0

**Isaaru** · 10-28-2011 07:36 AM

Primals: GOTTA CATCH 'EM ALL

**Volsung** · 10-28-2011 07:38 AM

Since they're still discussing a lot of it I hope they make sure to not make it too restrictive.

Maybe like say any free company can have Ifrit at the same time, but maybe every person only gets to summon it once, until their company gets another win.

I REALLY love the idea of weather change across zones.

**Demoleon** · 10-28-2011 07:43 AM

i think this system is a terrible idea. for the gamers that dont get to play as often as everyone else and have grown up loving espers, gfs, summons etc., they will never get a chance to summons a primal with this system. There will be established free companies that will just camp and hold primals at all times so no one else can use it. This also kills solo play.

If you want to make a system where htere isnt 8 ifrits in a PT, make it so only 1 of each primal can be summoned in the party at a time, not the whole server. example: a party with 3 summoners can have Garuda, Ifrit, Leviathan summoned at once but not Ifrit, Ifrit, Garuda.

**Syrous** · 10-28-2011 07:54 AM

I love most of Yoshi P's ideas, but I don't think this is a very good one... I dunno, maybe it just needs to be worked on a bit but I can spot many flaws in its current state. For one this means there will be no Summoner job. Also this will cause major ballance issues. If the Primals are too strong they will be a requirement when harder fights are implemented. If they're too weak then they'll be useless and noone'll want to use them after the first few weeks.

I don't know... it just doesn't seem to fit with either the FF theme or be practical from an MMO standpoint.

**northernsky** · 10-28-2011 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by Syrous

I love most of Yoshi P's ideas, but I don't think this is a very good one... I dunno, maybe it just needs to be worked on a bit but I can spot many flaws in its current state. For one this means there will be no Summoner job. Also this will cause major ballance issues. If the Primals are too strong they will be a requirement when harder fights are implemented. If they're too weak then they'll be useless and noone'll want to use them after the first few weeks.

I don't know... it just doesn't seem to fit with either the FF theme or be practical from an MMO standpoint.

Wait, what current state? We just read a few tidbits of content under development that will maybe be out in over 1 year. You really think that the dev team don't have your concerns in mind?

How exactly does that kill the summoner job? Way to make assumptions

**Syrous** · 10-28-2011 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by northernsky

Wait, what current state? We just read a few tidbits of content under development that will maybe be out in over 1 year. You really think that the dev team don't have your concerns in mind?

How exactly does that kill the summoner job? Way to make assumptions

First of all, take a deep breath and count to ten, nothing I said warrants you getting your panties in a twist. When I said "in it's current state" I meant this idea, I know full well it's still a long way away from being finalized. Don't need to get all defensive on me.

Secondly, about the killing the summoner job bit, if summons are restricted to groups of people and they can only be called once every time you kill the corresponding Primal, what do summoners do when they can't summon? Also, that creates a few more problems, either you would absolutely need a summoner in the free company to summon a Primal, or anyone could do it no matter what job. Either one doesn't seem right to me. They would need to be able to summon something other than primals, like elementals in FFXI, or give them another role to play. Was I clear enough this time?

**Kallera** · 10-28-2011 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by Syrous

First of all, take a deep breath and count to ten, nothing I said warrants you getting your panties in a twist. When I said "in it's current state" I meant this idea, I know full well it's still a long way away from being finalized. Don't need to get all defensive on me.

Secondly, about the killing the summoner job bit, if summons are restricted to groups of people and they can only be called once every time you kill the corresponding Primal, what do summoners do when they can't summon? Also, that creates a few more problems, either you would absolutely need a summoner in the free company to summon a Primal, or anyone could do it no matter what job. Either one doesn't seem right to me. They would need to be able to summon something other than primals, like elementals in FFXI, or give them another role to play. Was I clear enough this time?

They can also introduce lesser spirits that serve the primals, expanding the list of summons introduced(ex: if ifrit is the primal, spirits can be Salamando, Phoenix, Belias, Bomb)each with situational strentghs/weaknesses. That wouldn't kill the summoner class at all.

Also, if the storyline is to be believed, you will need summoner"s" not just one. You are speedialing a god, you know.

**Aion** · 10-28-2011 08:22 AM

I considered it is broken game if anyone can summon creatures that considered GOD on this game....oh please ppl, cant you satisfied with SMN??? seeing Ifrit on each battle? I just can only /facepalm

**Felis** · 10-28-2011 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by Syrous

Secondly, about the killing the summoner job bit, if summons are restricted to groups of people and they can only be called once every time you kill the corresponding Primal, what do summoners do when they can't summon? Also, that creates a few more problems, either you would absolutely need a summoner in the free company to summon a Primal, or anyone could do it no matter what job. Either one doesn't seem right to me. They would need to be able to summon something other than primals, like elementals in FFXI, or give them another role to play. Was I clear enough this time?

Primals are not for Summoner. They are for free companies. Summoner would get their own spirits to summon, like Carbuncle.

GameWatch - Job Summoner where you can summon spirits will also be implemented?
YoshiP - We will eventually implement. Pet users are star in MMORPG class. For example carbuncle is a summon a summoner can call however “Ifrit” or “Garuda” or “Leviathan” or “Odin” are gods.

GameWatch - At what point is there a line to decide which is which?
YoshiP - That’s hard questions since it depends on feeling (laugh) generally something you can call yourself is summon, and those which you can’t call on own are gods.

GameWatch - How about Shiva or Ramu?
YoshiP - Those two are also planned as gods. Mainly 4 elements and Light/Dark are confirmed gods.

GameWatch - You said calling a monster but can you not taim a monster?
YoshiP - Having pets you can call using MP an those monsters in the area which you can taim; we are preparing both. The design is there so now it’s to work on them, but before that there isn’t much spell users and there isn’t enough cloud control spell so first release jobs then will follow up afterwards.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post402103

**Zeref** · 10-28-2011 09:03 AM

I think Primal Summoning is going to mainly be focused on large scale PVP unless summoner job, but that's just my opinion, as far as primal fights themselves, I really really want a Garuda Staff for my Conjurer (or Black Mage at that point, i guess) I really want that Ifrit staff too but r43 and not enough friends to tackle Ifrit with (not to mention I'm more of a casual player so I wouldn't be super useful as the only healer) my chance at those weapons will probably come after raised cap when i can cheeze it with a random group of peeps.

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